Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chase Tang


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. There is a majority for deletion, but not a consensus. Cunard who supported keeping the article provided a number of sources to support his position that Chase Tang meets the WP:GNG criterion of significant secondary coverage. While it has been asserted that the coverage isn't sufficiently significant, I find little in the way of arguments to support that position, and several of the later "delete"s lack much reasoning beyond an assertion of non-notability. Sjakkalle (Check!)  13:46, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

Chase Tang

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No evidence of any significant notability. The NETFLIX appearance which sources make much of, is for an uncredited part. This is also true of all the remaining acting parts. There is no evidence that the subject meets WP:NACTOR which requires that  "Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions;"  Velella  Velella Talk 12:45, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Actors and filmmakers and Canada.  Velella  Velella Talk  12:45, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete I could've sworn I'd previously nominated this but alas...it's returned. Tang isn't notable as an actor, the article is largely based on blackhat SEO, PR and the like and his roles are extremely minor. PICKLEDICAE🥒 12:47, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I think you commented on one on simple.wiki a couple years ago. -DJSasso (talk) 12:06, 9 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete: Fails WP:NFILM. The "first major role" is a single episode appearance in a Netflix series, that's not a significant role.  Sources feel like mostly promotional in tone.  Ravensfire  (talk) 13:43, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I am surprised there is so much eyes and clout on my clients profile, I can see haters are in abundance. You mention about notability and notoriety, if you choose to delete this page, there 50% of Wike Pages should also be deleted.
 * Presotea and TITIKA a are both global brands
 * https://www.jejunemagazine.com/home/presotea
 * https://www.titikaactive.ca/blogs/event/titika-active-couture-finds-it-first-male-ambassador-by-signing-chase-tang
 * please focus on your own life and stop attacking my client, I would really appreciate it. 2605:B100:10A:4865:C115:CF30:A6B8:A4C4 (talk) 15:40, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
 * PICKLEDICAE🥒 do you have a serious unhealthy obsession with attacking my client? Are you being paid for this or do you just spend every waking minute monitoring and obsessing over my clients Wikipedia page? 2605:B100:10A:4865:C115:CF30:A6B8:A4C4 (talk) 15:48, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I wish I got paid to edit Wikipedia, but enforcing policy is a far cry from an attack. Perhaps you should educate yourself and your client on the purpose of Wikipedia and it's terms of use. PICKLEDICAE🥒 15:50, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
 * PICKLEDICAE🥒 You are enforcing Wikipedia? Your world seems to revolved around Chase Tang Wikipedia. If he has no notoriety or nobility, why are you so obsessed with his profile and dedicating so much attention and time towards his profile?
 * You never responded to PRESOTEA or TITIKA as international global brands btw? Easy to hide behind a screen PICKLEDICAE🥒 2605:B100:10A:4865:C115:CF30:A6B8:A4C4 (talk) 15:54, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Who is hiding? My identity isn't anonymous and unlike you, I actually know how to read and comply with Wikimedia's terms of use. I've already explained in my !vote why the sources found are inadequate.
 * But man, if I got paid for every time clout chasing PR lackeys accused me of "attacking" or "trying to delete" their client(s), I'd actually be rich. PICKLEDICAE🥒 15:57, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Titka is a blog, so, no dice. I have no idea what Presto Tea is, likely something similar. Oaktree b (talk) 01:00, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Your not hiding?
 * you create a Wikipedia account under the name PICKLEDICAE🥒 and spend every waking minute monitoring my clients account. Your not anonymous? We know nothing about you other than the fact you spend a lot of time behind a screen.
 * Chase has worked hard to build his career, you are not the first person to show extreme jealousy and envy, it needs to stop! 2605:B100:10A:4865:C115:CF30:A6B8:A4C4 (talk) 16:08, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
 * And please stop harassing users, or you're next to be banned. Your client or not, we're reviewing the merits according to the rules established here. If you can't play by them, please move it along. Oaktree b (talk) 00:28, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete. Very little evidence of notability. The Chronicle Herald article has half a sentence on him, the Decider mentions him. None of the other sources is independent. Maproom (talk) 16:02, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
 * MAPROOM please read and analyze these two articles for everyone, thank you
 * https://halifax.citynews.ca/amp/local-news/halifax-raised-actor-lends-his-face-to-climate-change-awareness-campaign-1826690
 * https://www.thestar.com/amp/halifax/2019/10/29/chase-tang-on-being-a-netflix-supervillain-and-joining-the-un-climate-awareness-campaign.html 2605:B100:10A:4865:C115:CF30:A6B8:A4C4 (talk) 16:23, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Both predominantly reporting Tang's words. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. ColinFine (talk) 16:31, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Or pay others to help promote them. I suspect a COI here. Oaktree b (talk) 00:51, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep The Toronto Star and the Global News articles cited seem to meet GNG, there's also one from the Guelph Mercury and one in Narcity . The CBC one given in the article also helps. Article needs a rewrite as it's very promotional, but here we are. Oaktree b (talk) 00:35, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Also this in the Toronto Guardian, a local online newspaper and this feature on an Canadian entertainment program (like Entertainment Tonight) . We're well in GNG, not sure ACTOR has been met. Oaktree b (talk) 00:39, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Coverage in the Epoch times, which is not a notable source but it shows sustained coverage. This in a language that Google translate won't pick up, selecting Chinese, it seems to talk about him, appears to be a Chinese source from Madagascar, so unsure if it's RS. Oaktree b (talk) 00:42, 9 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete. Not notable. Retinalsummer (talk) 03:09, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete I originally was thinking keep a few years ago when it came up for deletion on simple.wiki as there are a lot of localish references to him, but they do seem to just mostly be regurgitating his own words and are likely just articles paraphrasing a promotional release. So I have since changed my mind. -DJSasso (talk) 12:06, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep There are significant articles about him in: Toronto Star, Toronto Herald, Halifax Saltwire, and a shorter CBC piece. I looked to see if these articles were mere copies of each other, but they are not. They do all refer to his "big break" part on a Netflix show - yet I somehow don't see this as BLP1E. I suppose if he totally disappears from acting sight after this one could conclude that. I'm still for Keep. Lamona (talk) 03:08, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. English-language sources:  The article notes: "The 31-year-old, who grew up in the Nova Scotia communities of Bedford and Upper Tantallon, has just embarked on another project he believes is one of his most important yet. Tang, who formerly went by Chia-Hao Tang, recently lent his face to a new United Nations campaign called The World is in Our Hands."  The article notes: "Chase Tang was raised in Bedford and Upper Tantallon, N.S., after his family emigrated from Taiwan when he was a child. He grew up playing hockey, then worked in the corporate world before turning to acting. He has been cast as the villain in Jupiter's Legacy, which will be his biggest role to date."  The article notes: "Up-and-coming Halifax-raised actor, Chase Tang, has been getting a lot of press as of late. Sure, he landed a big break as a villain on Netflix's Jupiter's Legacy, starring Josh Duhamel, but that's not important right now. His truly Canadian modesty shines through when he speaks about lending his strengthening celebrity voice and his face to the latest campaign for climate change awareness, The World is in our Hands." <li> The article notes: "Tang graduated with a commerce degree and worked in the corporate world for eight years. Curious about the entertainment industry growing up, he decided to quit his job and finally pursue acting in 2016. That year, he took his first acting class. ... At the end of 2019, Tang signed for his first major show with Netflix which launched in 2020."</li> <li> The article notes: "Bedford-raised actor Chase Tang kept building up steam as 2019 progressed, and he has no plans for stopping in 2020. The former Nova Scotia AAA hockey player quit a corporate job in Toronto to pursue modelling and acting a couple of years ago and landed his first major role as the villain Baryon in the Ontario-shot Netflix superhero series Jupiter's Legacy, set to appear on the popular streaming platform later in 2020."</li> <li></li> <li></li> </ol></li> <li>Chinese-language sources:<ol> <li> The article notes from Google Translate: "31-year-old Hollywood Chinese actor Tang Jiahao recently participated in the Netflix superhero series Jupiter's Legacy. He is a big bad guy in the play and has a lot of martial arts. He was interviewed yesterday and talked about the past. Originally a senior executive of a financial enterprise with an annual income of more than 3 million yuan, four years ago, he gave up his high salary to realize his dream and officially embarked on the road of acting."</li> <li> The article notes from Google Translate: "FTV's "Entertainment Super skr" hosts Forrest Gump and Xiaolu went international, and interviewed Hollywood actor Chase Tang. ... Chase Tang came to the show to promote "Jupiter's Legacy", which will be broadcast on Netflix at the end of the year or early next year."</li> <li> The article notes from Google Translate: "This time, when he returned to Taiwan to sign the contract, he also specially met with Taiwanese media. ... He only made his debut at the age of 26. He has done a lot of work in the past, in 3C industry, marketing planning, insurance, and later became an executive of a financial company. When his income is the highest, his annual salary can be as high as 140,000 Canadian dollars (3.2 million Taiwan dollars) ... Chase Tang, who immigrated to Canada with his parents at a young age, played ice hockey very well when he was 10 to 13 years old. At that time, he was almost a big star in the eyes of the locals, and everyone liked him very much."</li> <li> The article notes from Google Translate: "Chase Tang, who performed in Netflix's "The Legend of Jupiter", was born in Taiwan and moved to Canada with his family at the age of 6. He used to be a professional ice hockey player in high school, and he also broke into the National Hockey League tryouts in North America. Later, he injured his knee in an accident and had to give up his dream of being an athlete."</li> </ol> </ol>There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Chase Tang to pass Notability, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Cunard (talk) 10:12, 13 September 2022 (UTC) </li></ul>

Delete Most of the above sources provided by Cunard are insignificant and/or possibly unreliable. The interviews don't appear independent enough to justify the inclusion of this article. Is there something notable the subject has accomplished? See also WP:NACTOR; for point #1, this subject doesn't have notable roles in films and for #2, I don't think they've "made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment" (what I said about the sources).
 * <small class="delsort-notice">Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Taiwan-related deletion discussions. Cunard (talk) 10:12, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Also, the user who made this article,, the user who made the article Chase Tang on Simple Wikipedia, , and the user who took this photograph, claiming to be a "photographer", , are all single purpose accounts. <b style="color:#191970;">Nythar</b> T . C 06:17, 14 September 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 20:17, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Which of the sources are insignificant? Which of the sources are unreliable? Cunard (talk) 06:41, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Which source supports WP:NACTOR and shows that Chase Tang is notable enough to have an article? They appear to be routine coverage and promotional. <b style="color:#191970;">Nythar</b> T . C 06:47, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree that Chase Tang does not meet WP:NACTOR. WP:NACTOR redirects to Notability (people), which is a subsection of Notability (people), which says, "A person who does not meet these additional criteria under Notability." My rationale for retention is that although the subject does not meet WP:NACTOR, he meets Notability through the sources I linked. Here are three example sources from only the English-language sources (though the Chinese-language sources are good too):, , and . While the sources contain interviews with him, there is enough non-interview material to meet the "significant coverage" requirement of Notability. Cunard (talk) 06:56, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I see what you're trying to say, yet a review of the sources above show all are interviews except for the two Apple Daily articles (which are so promotional and positively-written they fail a neutral perspective) and the SET News' article (where the photographs of him are hilariously non-neutral (and promotional)). <b style="color:#191970;">Nythar</b> T . C 07:19, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

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 * Comment. Based on the article reading like a press release, some of the comments in the above discussion {my clients profile," "my clients Wikipedia page" etc), and the editing history, the likelihood of WP:CONFLICT appears to be high with the current state of the article. WP:TOOSOON may be the actual case here. <span style="background:#8FF;border:solid 1px;border-radius:8px;box-shadow:darkgray 4px 4px 4px;padding:1px 4px 0px 4px;"> 5Q5 &#124;&#9993; 13:39, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. No significant coverage to show notability. Does not meet WP:NACTOR. Fails WP:GNG. -AuthorAuthor (talk) 06:23, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep per self-analysis on Chinese language sources provied by above. Even if/ though Chase Tang doesn't meet NACTOR, he doubtlessly passes WP:GNG. Taung Tan (talk) 17:31, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Can you explain that please. In what respect is WP:GNG met if WP:NACTOR fails ?  Velella  Velella Talk 18:04, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
 * A topic can meet GNG (significant coverage in independent reliable sources) without meeting any subject-specific notability guidelines. Per Notability (people), "A person who does not meet these additional criteria under Notability." —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 08:11, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
 * There can be coverage, but where's the significant coverage? As I explained above, most of these references contain promotional interviews and routine coverage that doesn't seem to be significant. <b style="color:#191970;">Nythar</b> T . C 08:19, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep as terribly as the article is written, and as much as I despise paid editing, it's pretty clear from the sources quoted (including the one in the Halifax Chronicle Herald) that GNG is easily met. User:Djsasso noted the sources were localish - but the sources listed are from major media outlets in both Atlantic and Central Canada (well, the Toronto Guardian is localish ... but it easily meets GNG without that article!). Nfitz (talk) 02:57, 23 September 2022 (UTC)