Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chat-Avenue


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus.  Sandstein  09:05, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Chat-Avenue

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There have been PROD and speedy attempts in the past, let's see what folks here at AfD make of this...

This chat site may be well-established and popular, but I cannot find any proper secondary RS coverage of it, so I'm moving for deletion on notability grounds — fails WP:GNG / WP:WEBSITE.

That said, TBH it does get some media attention, but it seems all to do with paedophile sting operations etc., and even then in local press only, so I don't know if any of that counts as sigcov. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 05:56, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Internet-related deletion discussions. DoubleGrazing (talk) 05:56, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete on notability (WP:GNG) grounds - no RS coverage beyond, as pointed out, local media paedophile sting stuff. It's not even the world's oldest chat room, so there's no excuse to name check it in the Chat room article, even. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 09:46, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep based on sources and presumed notability grounds- Chat Avenue is by far one of the oldest and most popular community chat websites on the web (even existing before Facebook, Omegle and Chatroulette). A considerable amount of media-related coverages have also been aired by leading publications such as the BBC and Reddit— with articles dating back to decades ago. There are also many new articles over the past couple decades that mention "Chat Avenue" by name without giving further information.   Any individual searching for more information regarding Chat Avenue would discover it here. The deletion of this article would suggest deleting every page linked here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_chat_websites in addition to thousands of other articles categorised specifically for chat sites.  There have been multiple PROD and speedy deletions attempts in the past which were all rejected. Reeebsss (talk) 15:03, 18 June 2021 (UTC) — Reeebsss (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. .--Bbb23 (talk) 14:51, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
 * 'Presumed notability'? 'One of the oldest chat websites'? These are not policy grounds. And deletion of this article has nothing to do with the others listed in the chat websites one. As for whether previous speedy or PROD attempts were successful has no bearing on this AfD. --DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:57, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I have added recent secondary RS coverage.  Chat Avenue IS mentioned by many publications (not just some local ones as you claim) and has a very long and extensive history at that.   Many of the articles mention chat avenue by name only without much details.  A wikipedia article would clear that up for those people and provide some usefulness to this already popular site.   Previously speedy deletion and PROD attempts shows that this article has been reviewed before.  Bringing this back up yet again would be redundant and questionable, IMO. --Reeebsss (talk) 18:53, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Extraordinary Writ (talk) 06:07, 23 June 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Extraordinary Writ (talk) 17:10, 30 June 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Bold third relist. This needs some more eyes.
 * Keep I just stumbled on this now. Definitely keep.  This website is extremely popular and makes headlines often.  Many senior editors have edited this article in the past without seeing the need for a deletion.  I noticed RS were added recently, so i think it meets the necessary requirements of remaining. Anniehh13 (talk) 03:34, 03 July 2021 (UTC) — Anniehh13 (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. --Bbb23 (talk) 14:49, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 21:40, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep It's got significant coverage in a reliable source, seems good enough to me. Mlb96 (talk) 02:10, 9 July 2021 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.