Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chateau Civrac


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The result was Delete - the sources provided did little to indicate how the winery was more notable than the hundreds of other French wineries out there, and there was some issue with advertising concerns as well. Tony Fox (arf!) 20:49, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Chateau Civrac

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This page was created by the Chateau owner and has not been substantively edited by anyone else since. It is a minor winery in a minor Bordeaux appellation, not a significant or notable French wine. The article contains no direct references to assert notability - even in the external links list, there is only one link to any substantive mainstream coverage, a brief online feature piece in the Times. A notability tag was added a while ago and the page creator/winery owner was politely notified of issues with the article. Rather than respond to that, or make any effort to provide more sources for the notability of their product, they came back to article and removed the tag. And did so without logging in, presumably in order to conceal their identity as the owner of the product now they had been "outed". I've put further comments and links on the article talk page. This product simply does not warrant a page here - Wikipedia is not a commercial directory, and there are all sorts of policy issues here on top of WP:NOTABILITY, including WP:COI, WP:SPAM, WP:SOCK. --Nickhh (talk) 21:34, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete but AGF on the part of the owner. S/he may not have realised she was logged out. COI is not a reason to delete but the apparent total lack of sources doesn't provide anything from which to expand the article or use reliable sources to cite claims. Does not appear to be a notable wine/winery.  TravellingCari  00:44, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of France-related deletion discussions.   --  TravellingCari  00:45, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Wine-related deletion discussions.   --  TravellingCari  00:45, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Agree that if no sources can be found the article should be delete. --Stefan talk 13:30, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Weak keep, sources are provided at the bottom of the article, seems vaguely notable. Stifle (talk) 14:03, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment: as I explained, only one of these represents anything close to substantive mainstream coverage. If you actually look at them or even try to open them, you would discover fairly quickly that the first is the Chateau's own website, while the second is a local information site which doesn't even appear to list the Chateau in its directory section. The third is - as mentioned - OK in itself, but one small online feature is hardly evidence of notability. The last two are merely articles which include notes on the wine (most wines will be tasted by reviewers at some point or other); furthermore the first of these two is to a subscription only site and the second link no longer works. Do people here actually look at or read anything in any detail before flying in with their opinion? --Nickhh (talk) 17:14, 22 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment: This page was created by good faith, and is not a copyvio.-- Freewayguy What's up? 23:17, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * keep - The Times source is more than a simple wine review, and establishes notability of the winery and its owner. Hadashot Livkarim (talk) 20:33, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Per nom.  Lady   Galaxy  18:12, 28 August 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.