Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chaudharies of Ambota


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 17:12, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

Chaudharies of Ambota

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I just declined a G4 speedy deletion on this (you can see my reasoning in the history), but I see no notability at all here. There isn't even any claim of importance and it would probably be an A7 if that extended to families. Essentially all this article is saying is "These were some people and they lived in a place". I am reluctant to take up AFD time, but I think a PROD would almost certainly be reverted, and so we're here. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 15:23, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions.  Megan Barris   (Lets talk📧)  15:28, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions.  Megan Barris   (Lets talk📧)  15:28, 6 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep. Originally I had created a page "Varya Rajputs & Chaudharies of Ambota". The Chaudharies are one of the prominent surviving Varya families with family members who are recognised globally for the contribution to the field of work they are in. The deletion of the page has made it difficult to link the two aspects of the clan. A clan which is supposed to have been lost but historians are not aware of the existence of the prominent member of the family. Isn't that good information for an encyclopedia? Secondly, I had put up a copy of the original lineage document in Urdu language and the English translation. If there are more members of the clan, then they could have contributed and associated with the page. Unfortunately, the page is now deleted. British era historians are not permitted to be cited. I understand that if there are 4 clans in question, the historian may discriminate and record incorrect data. In my page, I am citing only about the location and lineage of my clan. Where is the issue about unreliable data? Multiple historians in the current era have cautiously used selective text, so have I. I see no reason why I am being restricted? A Prof. who has written a 100 papers is being quoted and the same person has sourced information from local authentic records. That too is not permitted. How does one write an article if everything is shot down on some pretext or other Capt.AmitSingh (talk) 15:37, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
 * (copied from talk page, and formatted. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 15:57, 6 August 2020 (UTC))
 * Comment – Please see WP:NOTGENEALOGY. One of the sources cited by you contains just half a sentence about this clan/family. On top of it, that government site is not even a scholarly source. The other non-scholarly source cited by you is a self-published source, which is authored by a non-expert of the field. - NitinMlk (talk) 17:33, 6 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete I went through JSTOR and other academic databases, as well as Google Books and my own shelves, when this subject supposedly formed a part of another article that was deleted at Articles_for_deletion/Varya_Rajput_and_Chaudharies_of_Ambota. There is nothing about these two communities and what we are seeing in this article and Varya Rajputs (which was also created after that deletion discussion) is a massive house of cards based on poor, often irrelevant sources and others that might in principle be reliable but are not in fact obviously discussing the subject of the article. - Sitush (talk) 16:20, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete and salt - zero evidence of notability; basically a way of recreating an article that has only just been deleted Spiderone  16:38, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom Devokewater @ 20:59, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete as non-notable and not verifiable per nom and the research of Sitush. --Lockley (talk) 02:47, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment - since the article creator has blanked the page, is this now eligible for a speedy delete? Spiderone  21:51, 9 August 2020 (UTC)


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