Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cheating Panorama


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Rename has already happened. Daniel (talk) 04:50, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Cheating Panorama

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No notable sources, fails wiki:gng and nfilm Hyperwave11 (talk) 01:19, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. Hyperwave11 (talk) 01:19, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Hong Kong-related deletion discussions. Hyperwave11 (talk) 01:19, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

*Delete Fails WP:NFILM Donaldd23 (talk) 01:36, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Change to keep based on citations below. Donaldd23 (talk) 11:51, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Keep and rename to Cheating in Panorama per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.  The article discusses the movie in detail.     <li></li> <li></li> <li>Passing mentions in English-language sources that verify the movie's English name is Cheating in Panorama, not Cheating Panorama:<ol> <li> The book notes about Li Han-hsiang: "He left Shaw in 1963 and went to Taiwan where he created his own film company, Guolian, making twenty films; he returned to Hong Kong in 1970, rejoining Shaw in 1972, and worked there for another ten years, introducing the theme of duplicity in movies such as Legends of Cheating (1971) and Cheating in Panorama (1972)."</li> <li> The book notes on page 16: "The ascendant popular culture of this period includes the films of Bruce Lee, Cantonese TV series and Canto-pop, but there were many other film genres of the crude and vulgar variety that have been largely forgotten in the nostalgia for the 1960s and 1970s, which collectively falls under what John Chan Koon-chung / Chen Guanzhong has described as 'slovenly aesthetics'. In this category are Li Han-hsiang / Li Hanxiang's series of 'duplicity films' (such as Cheating in Panorama / Pian Shu Da Guan, 1972) and his later soft-core fengyue (literally 'wind' and 'moon' ) films (described as the 'Aesthetics of the Cynical'), ..." The book notes about Li Han-hsiang on page 320: "He returned to Hong Kong in 1970 and shot The Legends of Cheating / Pian Shu Qi Tan (1971), Cheating In Panorama / Pian Shu Da Guan (1972 ) and Cheat to Cheat / Pian Shu Qi Zhong Qi (1973), starting off a trend for films on duplicity."</li> </ol> </li> </ol>There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Cheating in Panorama to pass Notability, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Cunard (talk) 06:19, 7 July 2021 (UTC) </li></ul> Keep Per Cunard. Easily meets requirements. Donald once again showing his value to the project...† Encyclopædius  06:31, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
 * User:Encyclopædius I didn't nominate it. Keep personal attacks out of it. Per No personal attacks, "Do not make personal attacks anywhere on Wikipedia. Comment on content, not on the contributor". Voice your opinion on the ARTICLE, not on any EDITORS.   Donaldd23 (talk) 11:51, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
 * What?? I simply said you were showing your value to the project. Not many people take the time to comment at AFDs these days. I don't agree with deleting it, but know that your input is appreciated my friend!† Encyclopædius  12:00, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Ok, I misunderstood. Based on some of our past interactions I took this this as an attack on my character and that you were saying that I wasn't adding value. I apologize for the misunderstanding.  Have a great day. Donaldd23 (talk) 12:06, 7 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep per the coverage from Cunard. Anonymous 7481 (talk) 17:02, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per Cunard. Ratnahastin(t.c) 04:15, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep as per the significant coverage in multiple reliable sources identified above by Cunard that show a pass of WP:GNG so that deletion is unnecessary in my view, Atlantic306 (talk) 00:23, 13 July 2021 (UTC)


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