Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Checkers

 This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page, if it exists; or after the end of this archived section. The result of the debate was delete. The vote count was 29 delete, 8 move and 5 keep. FCYTravis 6 July 2005 20:39 (UTC)

Checkers
This article was speedy deleted, but quickly undeleted. This VFD is a procedural one. Now, this does not appear to be an organized tournament like Chess championship is, it is more like a public board set up in a park so that people can play casual games. I don't think this belongs here, instead I think this should be moved to the sandbox (and the redirect deleted) in the same way that casual chess games are played at Sandbox/Chess. Sjakkalle (Check!)  28 June 2005 11:33 (UTC) *Keep I agree that if other Dep't of fun pages are allowed to stay then this one should be too. Jaberwocky6669 June 28, 2005 15:56 (UTC) P.S. As long as the user who deleted the page is allowed to have his own page at Dep't of fun then I should be too. I was in the process of fleshing out a detailed plan for tournament games.
 * Delete and set this up at Wikicities per Angela is probably the best. Also, chess is a much better game than checkers... Sjakkalle (Check!)  1 July 2005 10:19 (UTC)
 * Isn't that an opinion? Jaberwocky6669 July 1, 2005 14:07 (UTC)
 * Move to Sandbox/Checkers per Sjakkalle, though I don't think there's any harm in keeping the redirect, since --Kiand 28 June 2005 21:27 (UTC)it's in the Wikipedia: space. --Deathphoenix 28 June 2005 12:58 (UTC) (see below)
 * Move to Sandbox/Checkers per Sjakkalle - great idea. Otherwise, delete. -  T&#949;x  &#964;  ur&#949;  28 June 2005 13:11 (UTC)
 * Keep or Move, but do not delete. As long as all the games at Department of fun can exist, so can this. -- brian0918 &#153;  28 June 2005 13:14 (UTC)
 * Move as previously suggested. I won't be playing it but I know it will attract others. -- Francs2000 | Talk [[Image:Flag of the United Kingdom.svg|25px|  ]] 28 June 2005 15:35 (UTC)
 * delete unlike chess, the set of articles on this game are not developed. Let's us first make sure that we have good articles of draughts, international draughts, American checkers and when that is done people can start playing games. Andries 28 June 2005 17:40 (UTC)
 * Move under sandbox.undefined&mdash;undefinedPt(T) 28 June 2005 18:50 (UTC)
 * Move under Sandbox. --Kiand 28 June 2005 21:27 (UTC)
 * Move to Sandbox/Checkers. JamesBurns 29 June 2005 05:22 (UTC)
 * Move as suggested above. Sango  123  June 30, 2005 01:45 (UTC)
 * Delete. Do not move to the sandbox. Angela. July 1, 2005 00:05 (UTC)
 * Move under Sandbox.   ‡   Jarlaxle   July 1, 2005 00:08 (UTC)
 * Strong delete per Angela.
 * unsigned vote by Philwelch
 * Delete - it's time to draw a line in the sand(box). This is Wikipedia, not Wikifreegamehosting. -- Cyrius|&#9998; 1 July 2005 00:18 (UTC)
 * Delete stronger than the intensity of a thousand Suns (as if that makes any difference to the vote tally :). And recommend that we come up with some sort of policy explicitly against irrelevant game-playing like this, this is an encyclopedia we're trying to write here. (Small amendment: it looks to me like most of the games at Department of Fun are encyclopedia-related, I think those are fine. The chess and checkers ones aren't, though). Bryan 1 July 2005 00:30 (UTC)
 * Keep Harmless. I don't play it myself but if a few Wikipedians want to relax that way it's fine. If it starts to attract significant attention from people outside the community I would reconsider. But I don't really see that happening. - Haukurth 1 July 2005 00:38 (UTC)


 * deleteGeni 1 July 2005 00:55 (UTC)
 * Delete. I've reconsidered, in light of Eloquence's post that Angela provided above. Perhaps the people that play Checkers should go and check out the Wikicities link, especially Wikicheckers. --Deathphoenix 1 July 2005 01:00 (UTC)


 * Comment if you can play checkers at Wikicheckers, then how? :Wikipedia wants you! Together we are building and encyclopedia and a community." Jaberwocky6669 July 1, 2005 01:08 (UTC)


 * Delete. Waste of Wikimedia's resources, waste of other people's time and attention (RC patrollers, searchers).  Redeeming feature is that it makes some contributors happy.  They can use Wikicities. -- Jeronim 1 July 2005 02:19 (UTC)


 * Delete. Yes, you can play games with MediaWiki, but that doesn't mean you should do it on Wikipedia. Set up an installation elsewhere. - Fredrik | talk 1 July 2005 03:24 (UTC)


 * Delete. Not part of building an encyclopedia. - Nunh-huh 1 July 2005 05:10 (UTC)


 * Delete. There's other places for this.  --Laura Scudder | Talk 1 July 2005 06:40 (UTC)
 * Delete - per post mentioned by Angela. It's nicely formed, so I've copied it to: wikicities:c:games:Checkers (from Wikipedia); if the wikicities:c:games people find it useful, they will keep it. JesseW 1 July 2005 07:20 (UTC)
 * Delete RC is polluted with enough rubbish already. There is a games wiki; go use that.  smoddy 1 July 2005 09:02 (UTC)
 * Delete while we still can. --Phil | Talk July 1, 2005 09:33 (UTC)


 * Keep for the same reason we have a department of fun. Hiding 1 July 2005 09:46 (UTC)
 * Delete. Take this somewhere else. James F. (talk) 1 July 2005 09:52 (UTC)
 * Comment Yeah, just this time when you delete how about deleting the talk page and its two other subpages this time. When it was "speedy deleted" it didn't even meet not one single criteria the guy didn't even bother to delete the talk page or the subpages. That is substandard. That is why I wanted it to be resurrrected and ran through VfD. I didn't expect it to actually be kept. I have a feeling that this is a Chess is superior to Checkers thing. Yeah, Delete I agree... Jaberwocky6669 July 1, 2005 10:14 (UTC)
 * Keep. Where's the harm?  Almafeta 1 July 2005 12:55 (UTC)
 * The harm has been spelled out for you above. Did you read it? -- Jeronim 1 July 2005 17:37 (UTC)
 * Hey, guy, any need for you to be nasty? Maybe not everyone agrees with each other--which is GREAT! It's the conflict that keeps the butter churn pumping! Jaberwocky6669 July 1, 2005 18:21 (UTC)


 * Delete. This has nothing to do with an encyclopedia. Carbonite | Talk 1 July 2005 12:58 (UTC)
 * Move to wikicities andDelete Lectonar 1 July 2005 14:19 (UTC)
 * Delete. This is an encyclopedia, not a playground. --FOo 1 July 2005 15:04 (UTC)
 * Delete. Keep the sandbox clean as well, please, this is where this nonsense usually starts.--Eloquence* July 1, 2005 17:05 (UTC)
 * Delete or move somewhere else. If you don't find working on the encyclopedia to be fun all by itself, you're in the wrong place. :-) Stan 1 July 2005 17:07 (UTC)

Like I stated previously I didn't truly expect this to survive VfD. I just thought it deserved more than a speedy delete because it doesn't even meet speedy deletion criteria.
 * I thought it would provide nice balance to the rest of the games in this manner:
 * 1) When people are working on the encyclopedia (myself included) 99% forget what it means to not be efficient when they're talking to someone even if just for a sentence. Effieciency is great and awesome but sometimes a cool breeze is great too.
 * 2) If you go to chess and try to throw a joke or two around in there then you're sure to be met with stone cold stares because every gets all intensely intellectual because chess is "thinkin' man's game".


 * I wonder how many people come to VfD pages only to skim the list of votes and automatically give the same vote? I'm not saying that is what is happening here but elsewhere... Jaberwocky6669 July 1, 2005 18:29 (UTC)

This is what I need...a place to air my opinions and other wikipedians, instead of trying to tell me how wrong I am, just joins in and gives an honest opinion... Jaberwocky6669 July 1, 2005 18:29 (UTC)
 * Delete per Angela. There are a million other game-servers in the world.  Set up a Wikipedia affinity group on one of them if you want to play games with other Wikipedians. DanKeshet July 1, 2005 22:32 (UTC)
 * Delete. Wikipedia is not a game server. &mdash;Lowellian (talk) July 2, 2005 06:24 (UTC)
 * Delete no brainer. I am having a hard time believing that this is even a matter for debate. Danny 2 July 2005 09:23 (UTC)
 * Absolutely superstrong Delete being an avid gamer myself I know there are millions of other sites out there. Else try wikicities. This simply doesn't belong on wikimedia projects. Waerth 2 July 2005 12:08 (UTC)
 * Delete not encyclopedia-related 140.142.175.173 3 July 2005 22:21 (UTC)
 * Delete. JFW | T@lk  4 July 2005 06:42 (UTC)
 * Delete with extreme prej. james gibbon  5 July 2005 23:14 (UTC)
 * Keep or move, keeps some wikis happy, despite the killjoys. ¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸ 6 July 2005 19:15 (UTC)
 * ''The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be placed on a related article talk page, if one exists; in an undeletion request, if it does not; or below this section.


 * Comment: The Move votes above seem to me misguided; the sandbox really isn't for this kind of experimentation at all. A more appropriate page, following the idea that what is appropriate content for a subpage depends a good deal on its parent page, would be a subpage of WP:FUN...  +sj  +  8 July 2005 01:56 (UTC)