Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Checkmates in the opening


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The result was delete. It's up to editors whether and where to redirect this also.  Sandstein  15:42, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Checkmates in the opening

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This page is an indiscriminate dump of mostly non-notable chess games, sourced almost exclusively to the user-generated site chessgames.com. IP editor has significantly expanded the article, but has also added a lot of dross, including many non-notable games by non-notable players, and has insisted on inserting own editorial opinion by adding "!!" or "??" to moves without citing a source (see Chess annotation symbols.) This has got out of hand, it's ok to cite a couple of examples in Checkmate but not to indiscriminately dump games found on chessgames.com. Merge with Checkmate suggested, with only about 3 examples. MaxBrowne2 (talk) 01:44, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Articles for deletion/Log/2020 February 22.  —cyberbot I   Talk to my owner :Online 01:56, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Games-related deletion discussions.  CASSIOPEIA(talk) 02:50, 22 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete Correct, it's an indiscriminate dump of mostly non-notable chess games. Some points of clarification:
 * The chessgames.com site is used extensively in chess-related articles as a handy presentation of game scores, but the presence of a game score in that site is not a guarantee or even a particularly strong indicator of notability.
 * Some checkmates in the opening that are genuinely notable are Scholar's mate, Fool's mate, and Légal Trap, all of which I was taught as a beginning chess player 50 years ago. A list article that includes some checkmates in the opening, but also some other notable chess opening sequences, is List of chess traps.  Bruce leverett (talk) 05:04, 22 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Redirect to List of chess traps.4meter4 (talk) 00:37, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Two candidates for redirect, List of chess traps and Checkmate. MaxBrowne2 (talk) 04:08, 1 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Checkmate. Indiscriminate list that has little to no reliable sourcing. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 05:37, 1 March 2020 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.