Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cheers (Jukebox the Ghost album)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. While this is leaning delete, there isn't sufficient consensus here to execute a delete (largely driven by low participation). No prejudice to immediate re-nomination if desired. Daniel (talk) 00:11, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Cheers (Jukebox the Ghost album)

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BLAR was undone, but the article doesn't look any better. The Washington Post interview (not a review so also inappropriately placed in the ratings box) only mentions the album for two sentences, and other than that and the PopMatters review, I'm unclear that any of the sources are reliable (I've particularly seen Prelude Press called outright unreliable before). If, ultimately, that means the article is basically relying on just PopMatters for notability, then that'd be the same grounds that I BLARed on in the first place. QuietHere (talk &#124; contributions) 23:03, 15 October 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 10:00, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Albums and songs and Washington, D.C.. QuietHere (talk &#124; contributions) 23:03, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete One song reviewed here, I don't think that's enough. I can't find anything else. Oaktree b (talk) 23:48, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:NALBUM, did some editing and added a review, plus previously present notability through other online articles. Also, why is this in AFD for Washington, D.C.? Koopastar (talk) 07:43, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Of the new sources you added:
 * Hashtag Magazine is a single-author page which is essentially a blog except by name, and that page in particular looks like a press release.
 * Melodic.net has potential given it has multiple writers, but without an about/staff page showing if there's an editorial team, it's hard to give an automatic pass.
 * On The Soundboard Reviews, I could only find one review out of the couple dozen I checked which weren't written by the site's founder. That's only a small step above Hashtag, and not the most promising.
 * And Throw the Dice and Play Nice is explicitly a single-author blog, so that's a no.
 * I'm still not convinced this isn't just stretching for notability, something most notable album articles shouldn't have to do nearly this much. As for the Washington, DC question, sometimes it can be useful to tag AfDs for their subject's country of origin because there may be local coverage which is only accessible locally. In cases like this, I wouldn't usually bother including it because US coverage tends to be more widely available, but there are some editors who will show up and add it anyway just because they can, so I put it there when I remember just to preempt that. It might still be useful in some cases, though I can't say I've ever seen it. QuietHere (talk &#124; contributions) 05:31, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for explaining the DC thing. As for the article, Melodic.net does have a staff page, and I've removed Throw the Dice and Play Nice as it sources an already cited subject. Hashtag Magazine is replaced with an antiMusic article, and although both are identical in contents, the newer source has somewhat of a staff compared to a single author so more reliability can be established. Koopastar (talk) 06:51, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
 * That does help Melodic.net's case. I thought I clicked on the contact button but I guess I didn't.
 * The reason the text in Hashtag Magazine and antiMusic's articles is identical is because it's an unedited press release, which is all that antiMusic posts. With this one in particular, you can see the "(BMG)" at the start of the article giving credit to the band's record label for writing it. That makes that a primary source which does not support notability. QuietHere (talk &#124; contributions) 08:14, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
 * The source for that part of the article wasn't intended to establish notability, simply confirm a release date that could be questioned. The source for the next sentence does show some notability of one of the singles though, and with the current state of the article it seems there are about 8 or 9 independent sources about the album with a good level of reliability (going off the staff page criteria as the other sources do not have this instantly accessible). Would this amount of coverage be adequate for notability? Koopastar (talk) 18:54, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Clyde  &#91;trout needed&#93; 22:46, 30 October 2023 (UTC) Relisting comment: Final relist Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:40, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment. I would be made quite sad if this weren't notable ("Victoria" is an absolute bop, and I quite like the band's music), but I do largely agree with the nominator here. The WaPo piece may well provide significant coverage of Jukebox the Ghost as a band (and even of the HalloQueen tour), but it's a bit marginal on coverage of the album itself. Looking for other sources, there was a 30 minute radio segment, but much of it is taken up by JtG's music or by Ben Thornewill's own speaking, and that isn't exactly an independent source on the album. More on (HalloQueen can be found; there's a nontrivial change that it's notable, but that isn't the article here).The PopMatters review seems to contribute towards notability; PopMatters is listed as generally reliable at WP:RSMUSIC. The problem is that WP:NALBUM#1 would require multiple independent RS to significantly cover it, and I'm a bit iffy on most of the other sources that are claimed contribute towards notability. There's a ginormous article in Atwood Magazine on this album, but I'm not 100% on its independence, and it's not listed at WP:A/S. It does, however, seem to have a good number of writers, so I don't want to discount it. If it's sufficiently independent, I would lean towards keeping. Otherwise, however, I'd be unconvinced.Aside from sources that are in the article, there's Glasse Factory, but it's on the single rather than the full album. — Red-tailed hawk  (nest) 20:39, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


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