Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chelsea King


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The result was redirect‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__ to John Albert Gardner aka original redirect and I'm going to protect it. Star  Mississippi  02:44, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

Chelsea King

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WP:BLP of a musician, not properly sourced as having a strong claim to passing WP:NMUSIC. The attempted notability claim here is regional music awards, which would be fine if the article were well-sourced but are in no way "inherently" notable enough to hand her an instant notability freebie without proper sourcing -- but the article is referenced almost entirely to bad sources that aren't support for notability, such as her songs being referenced to their own presence on Spotify, the regional awards being referenced to their own self-published websites about themselves rather than media coverage to demonstrate the notability of the awards, Q&A interviews in which she's talking about herself in the first person, and promotional bumf on PR blogs -- there's only one source here (American Songwriter) that counts as a legitimately WP:GNG-contributing source, but that isn't enough to pass GNG all by itself. It also warrants note that this is a newly created article that hijacked a redirect that already existed to represent a different person of the same name, which is not acceptable Wikipedia practice -- and for added bonus, the creator left the categories that represented the other Chelsea King on the finished article, so that this living musician was being categorized as a 2010 murder victim, and all of the inbound links to this title are still expecting the original murder victim. So, in all likelihood, the original redirect should really be restored: if and when the musician can actually be demonstrated and properly sourced as notable, an article can be created at a disambiguated title, and then we can reconsider who should be the primary topic and use page moves if necessary, but the creator is not entitled to arbitrarily commandeer a title that already represented somebody else without following Wikipedia's process for dealing with title conflicts. Nothing stated here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt her from having to have better referencing than this. Bearcat (talk) 15:13, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians and United States of America. Bearcat (talk) 15:13, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Restore original redirect. even without the glaring sourcing issues, this article is a mess and would need a substantial rewrite to fix. Darling (talk) 15:26, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: California, Massachusetts,  and Tennessee.  WC  Quidditch   ☎   ✎  17:23, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions.  WC  Quidditch   ☎   ✎  17:23, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Restore to the last version about the murder victim, as of 12 September 2023. For this singer, I don't think the situation is as dire as implied in the nomination, but she does not qualify for an article here per WP:TOOSOON and WP:NOTPROMOTION. One problem is that she has worked under several different names. She has a songwriting award/scholarship under her birth name Chelsea Gilliland, her early band The Harder We Fall got some minor social media notice, and her current band CHLSY has some reliable publications but they don't get too far beyond basic introductions. I can find no other reliable sources and the rest of this article is fairly desperate self-promotion and refbombs. In the future, it may be possible for the current band CHLSY to achieve notability, but if so the article should be titled after them. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (TALK&#124;CONTRIBS) 14:20, 25 November 2023 (UTC)


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