Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chess lists


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus.  Sandstein  20:13, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Chess lists

 * List of chess games between Kasparov and Kramnik
 * List of chess games between Anand and Kramnik


 * Delete Wikipedia is not a chess scoreboard.--Pbbb0 (talk) 04:57, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep Just like we keep scores of the Olympics and other tournaments. Wikiolap (talk) 05:12, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete- It's unclear what the point of these lists is. You can't just randomly select two prominent chess players, list games they've played against each other and call it an article. It's an indiscriminate collation of information. Reyk  YO!  05:43, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment these aren't "random" players. Kasparov and Kramnik played a match for the World Chess Championship and Anand and Kramnik have played two such matches.  Bubba73 (talk), 01:34, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
 * And all three of these people are (or were) World Champions. 01:08, 3 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep List of chess games between Anand and Kramnik because this was part of the 2008 chess championships coverage. You obviously can't make collections of games between two random players, but at least one of these is not random (it's a list between players who recently fought out a World Championship Tournament), just as a list of games between Kasparov and Karpov wouldn't be. - Mgm|(talk) 10:07, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep per Mgm, and the same argument holds for the Kasparov-Kramnik match-up in light of their World Championship match in 2000. Prior to these World Championship matches, the commentators frequently make a point of how the two contenders have fared against each other in prior games. Sjakkalle (Check!)  11:49, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep Seems to be a chess analog to articles like Federer-Nadal rivalry. Glass  Cobra  14:03, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete I can't help thinking that anyone interested in this article would have Chessbase or similar and would simply click the appropriate button, which coincidentally is all it took to write it. Maybe Anand-Kramnik has more merit, because it's topical and could remain a rivalry for some time to come, whereas the Kaspy-Kramnik match-up just reminds us that Kramnik was, in a sense, Kasparov's bogey player. Big deal, Geller used to beat Fischer and lose to Korchnoi - it's just the way it is, a clash of styles can throw up unpredictable outcomes. Brittle heaven (talk) 21:08, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment. You could use that argument, "anyone interested in the subject would have access to the sources used to create the article", to delete every article on Wikipedia. Phil Bridger (talk) 20:07, 31 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Weak comment Duh! How on hell can you make a weak comment ?? I have looked a bit at Category:Baseball lists and Category:Basketball lists. Although I have found a lot of stupid weird lists, nothing was looking like "List of matches between X and Y". SyG (talk) 17:51, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Perhaps because those are team sports, whereas chess and tennis are individual? In any case, we do have corresponding articles even for baseball, ie. Yankees-Red Sox rivalry. Glass  Cobra  18:26, 1 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep These are neutral, easily verifiable lists that are useful supplements for the World Chess Championship articles. They are not random guys but the very top players in the last 20+ years who have played World Championship matches against each other. The amount of the games is limited, so the lists have an ideal length. --Jisis (talk) 10:18, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
 * By the way, in a recent interview Anand was talking about his lifetime score against Kramnik so the players themselves find this information interesting: . --Jisis (talk) 10:14, 4 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Weak Keep for the old time players like Fischer/Geller/Korchnoi (mentioned by Brittle Heaven above), you just plug the names into a chess games database site like Chessgames.com and you get their head-to-head results. But in the last 15 years or so, different forms of chess like rapid chess and blitz chess have been played much more, cluttering the databases. So Wikipedia editors have put a bit of effort into these articles, sorting the "classical" time limit games from the rapid/blitz/blindfold etc games. Peter Ballard (talk) 02:33, 3 November 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.