Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chester Kamen


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. The article had been tidied up and references added towards the end of the original listing, and previous contributors had the opportunity to either confirm or change their recommendation. However, this AfD was kept open for a week after the changes, with no changes. As such, the consensus remains to delete --  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 09:52, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Chester Kamen

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This isn't a very strong opinion but I generally am averse to BLPs of marginal notability. This guy seems to be a well-known session musician who has worked with many major live and recording artists, but hasn't been a band member or released any work individually so he doesn't seem to pass the music biography notability guidelines. I'm not convinced he passes the general notability guideline either, as coverage in other sources is usually just to note that the support musician for a band on a tour is Chester Kamen, or that the session musician on a recording was Chester Kamen. TheGrappler (talk) 11:32, 24 August 2010 (UTC)  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JForget  01:17, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Possibly slightly contrary to what I have written, he may for a time have been a member with the band Uropa Lula although the biography article does not make this entirely clear. TheGrappler (talk) 11:38, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete. I couldn't find any significant coverage of Kamen although the fact that he has played with several notable artists is certainly verifiable. I just don't think there's enough for an article, although if coverage directly of him could be found that would be a different matter. The possible Uropa Lula membership doesn't add anything in my view - there's little claim of real notability in that band's article and the sourcing leaves a lot to be desired (a forum, discogs/similar site, other wiki articles, and an online shop).--Michig (talk) 15:22, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 17:33, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails WP:BIO completly. scope_creep (talk) 21:59, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Played on major albums and major tours. Music notability guidelines are silent on band members of 'solo acts', but there is some precedence for recognising session musicians. That said, without a doubt, the article needs improvement. Bondegezou (talk) 13:01, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment I've done some cleaning-up of the article and added a couple of citations. Bondegezou (talk) 14:12, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment May I expand on my earlier "keep"? Having worked on the article some more, I feel stronger that Kamen is notable. WP:BAND #6 says, "is a musician who has been a member of two or more independently notable ensembles." Kamen has been a member of multiple notable ensembles, including a band member of Uropa Lula, part of Roger Waters' touring band, a long-running role in Bryan Ferry's band (touring, recording and writing material), and multiple session appearances (including UK multi-Platinum releases with Robbie Williams and Gabrielle). The WP:BAND language does not say it only applies when someone is an official band member of a named band (as with Uropa Lula). It seems to me the wording there can include a regular role in a 'solo' act's backing band (Ferry, Waters) or even session work (Williams, Gabrielle, Massive Attack, Madonna). WP:BAND #2, #3, #4, #5 and #11 all apply to recordings featuring Kamen, even if they were not released as by Kamen. The article content is all verifiable, as Michig acknowledges. Bondegezou (talk) 10:00, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.