Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cheung Yin Tung


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The result was   delete. – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 13:25, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Cheung Yin Tung

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Autobiography of a politician, spamming, dubious notability, previously removed from Chinese wiki --Ice Sea (talk) 10:53, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment: Seem to be a few hits for him on gNews: . I don't speak Chinese, can anyone confirm if the hits on gNews are non-trivial coverage and in reliable sources? --Odie5533 (talk) 12:06, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment. Two of those Google News hits mention the subject in the title. The first of those links isn't working for me at the moment, but a Google translation of the second shows that it does little more than announce the subject's election candidature. Phil Bridger (talk) 16:56, 22 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Thryduulf (talk) 14:29, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Hong Kong-related deletion discussions. Thryduulf (talk) 14:29, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. If he's not notable on his own language wiki, he's not notable here. Lara  13:40, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Lean to delete - concerns me also that the article was deleted from Chinese wiki; plus no references, nor ones that can be easily found; and clearly written in an advert style - all equal a problem with notability.-- VirtualSteve need admin support? 20:41, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment another round of vote for deletion is under way on the Chinese wiki.
 * Thanks for letting us know, but sadly I don't speak a bit of Chinese. Anyone that does care to summarize the arguments? --Odie5533 (talk) 19:16, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
 * The nomination is based on the promotional tone of the article and the lack of improvements. There is one keep vote that asserts there have been improvements. Also mentioned the article here, but I'm not clear on what he was saying, exactly. The translation is not perfect. Then it goes into a discussion between the nom and the voter debating significant coverage and WP:AUTO, the nom stating that the coverage is not sufficiently focused on the subject and bring up AUTO, the keep voter noting that AUTO doesn't apply because the subject didn't write the article. From there it's further policy debate, someone else joins and appears to suggest the nom is being hypocritical by arguing over this article's neutrality and the propaganda within it while he has written articles of questionable neutrality including propaganda, and then that person mentions the article here as well, but again, I'm not able to figure out the context. Hopefully that was a decent summarization. Lara  21:38, 25 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, basically the summarization was correct. And the User Bīng Rè Hǎi fēng (nom) is me myself. The user 某生 accused me of creating advertisement articles such as Eugène Ionesco,Allen Ginsberg and Jean Genet, but I think the notability of those articles were very clear. He mentioned in the last paragraph that he was very angry at me because I started a discussion here.


 * Yes, there are some google web results (張賢登+民主黨). But just look at the first page please! Many of the entires were from blogs and forums. Only one third-party source was from wenweipo, and that was only a short news, did not provide particular imformation about him.--Ice Sea (talk) 02:55, 26 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep - The notability of Cheung for having an article here is not less than many of others who are listed in Category:Former member of district council in Hong Kong. Cheung was an elected member of the Yuen Long District Council in Hong Kong until 2007, and he is still an active member in the Democratic Party of Hong Kong. If one uses "張賢登" (Cheung Yin Tung) + "民主黨" (Democratic Party) as keywords to search in google, about 60,000 entries would be found (replicas not excluded). Cheung was mentioned by local media many times, particularly during elections. --Mewaqua (talk) 02:05, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Merely mentioning or just being an elected local official, or an unelected candidate for political office, does not guarantee notability for persons. That's the debate topic in the Chinese wiki as well. In the online sources cited in the current version of the Chinese article, most of them are the meetings he attend and the election in which he was defeated. The only article covers him substantially does not mention him in the title.--Skyfiler (talk) 02:28, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment - It is inappropriate to use to perform google search, the goal is to search entries containing both pharses "張賢登" and "民主黨", not entries containing the one pharse "張賢登民主黨".--Mewaqua (talk) 15:12, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Reply - Just added for you at the top.--Altt311 (talk) 17:39, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Please note that there is a blank between 張賢登 and 民主黨， that means to search entries containing both pharses "張賢登" and "民主黨".--Ice Sea (talk) 03:13, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Seems that is to search "張賢登 民主黨", not "張賢登"+"民主黨". This is the correct search you want.--Altt311 (talk) 03:26, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, you are right. I'm sorry--Ice Sea (talk) 04:24, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - Please take note that those so-called "mentioned by local media" are news reports during the elections. My own search has kicked out facebook and some of the blogs and internet forums (and Wikipedia to prevent self-reference). In these 67,000 results, most of them are mentioning him as a representative of HK Democratic Party (Secretary of the party) or a candidate representing HK Democratic Party in the elections. None of the results (at least I can't manage to find any) describe Mr. Cheung in detail. Due to this, I determine that these search results are trivial descriptions that cannot justify for Mr. Cheung's notability.--Altt311 (talk) 17:39, 26 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Coffee //  have a cup  //  ark  // 06:32, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
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