Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Children's Philanthropy Center


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. The reasons given for keeping are not part of policy: we're an encyclopedia, not a place to enourage particular groups--which amounts , actually, to promotionalism. I think Deor gave the right evaluation of the sources.  DGG ( talk ) 10:40, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Children's Philanthropy Center

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An organization associated with a single elementary school (Waples Mill Elementary School, Oakton, Virginia) that does not itself have a WP article. Of the five "references" listed, the first and fourth are primary sources, the third is a press release that mentions the school but not this particular organization, the fifth contains only some notices of workshops, and the second treats the organization as part of an article about a wider topic. All in all, I'm not finding the "significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources" that would be needed to satisfy WP:ORG. Deor (talk) 13:17, 6 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete Generally, an elementary school is not considered notable enough to warrant a Wikipedia article unless there are special reasons, and this is not even about an elementary school: it is about one project in an elementary school. Deor's description of the sources cited is a good summary. Not a single one of them gives the sort of coverage needed to establish notability. Everything indicates that the article has been created and edited as part of a promotional campaign for the "Children's Philanthropy Center". JamesBWatson (talk) 13:37, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions.  —Tom Morris (talk) 16:06, 6 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete - while wishing them nothing but the best, Wikipedia is not a place to promote your kids' noble cause. This project just plain fails all our tests for notability. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  21:20, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete: A non-notable elementary school project. SL93 (talk) 21:42, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

I am responding to the possible deletion of this page. I am requesting to keep this page in Wikipedia. Please understand that although the center is housed in a school, it is a community-based/educational charity. CPC-sponsored activities are many and varied. They support many social and environmental charitable endeavors in Northern Virginia as well as across the country. CPC activities take place outside of school hours and during the summer. Their Youth Symposium is one-of-a-kind, run by youth for youth. The Wikipedia entry encourages youth to see that they can make a difference by becoming involved in a philanthropic program.72.205.31.32 (talk) 00:34, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Please keep the “Children’s Philanthropy Center” on Wikipedia. While the Center is technically housed at Waples Mill Elementary School, it is distinguished from the school division through an independent identity targeted toward community service and global giving programs to children from distressed circumstances. It is the only Center of its kind in Northern Virginia--run by children for children.

Due to adverse economic conditions, the Center is not yet able to afford a building of its own. It operates through the hard work and dedication of youth advocates throughout the county, as well as their mentors. No salaries or payments are given to support program operations.

Having the Children’s Philanthropy Center listed on Wikipedia allows individuals, environmentalists, social advocacy groups, and other interested parties to research the organization.

It also allows the youth advocates associated with The Center to feel a sense of validation for their support of individuals and other charitable organizations.72.205.31.32 (talk) 00:34, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 * The only problem with your arguments is that Wikipedia is not a place for promotion. It doesn't matter how noble the idea is or how much good it would or wouldn't bring, the subject of the article must be notable before inclusion into Wikipedia, not after. You have to provide reliable sources to prove that it's notable. I don't mean to sound harsh, but coming on here and making an emotionally based plea to keep it on Wikipedia won't accomplish much. You have to provide reliable sources per WP:RS to show that it passes WP:ORG. What might be a good option for one of your group to do is to get someone to sign up with a login and userfy the article. This means that you would keep it on a user page until it passes notability guidelines. If you do this, just be careful about potential conflicts of interest. (WP:COI) Sometimes when you are closely involved with the article's subject matter (in this case an organization), it's easy to stray outside the lines of neutrality and make it less encyclopedic than it should be. I highly recommend that if you are interested in this, you read up on the following subjects: WP:NOTPROMOTION, WP:GNG, WP:RS, WP:NPOV, as well as check in with WikiProject Education. That's a group of users who can be an invaluable source of information and help. This group might do good things, but it just doesn't seem to meet notability guidelines at this time.Tokyogirl79 (talk) 04:39, 7 December 2011 (UTC)tokyogirl79


 * Delete per nom. --Legis (talk - contribs) 09:17, 7 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Strong delete Might be a great cause, but failes WP:GNG as a project ( talk→  BWilkins   ←track ) 12:36, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

We are trying to figure out if putting this content as a User page would be acceptable. If so, please advise how we can move the content.YouthAdvocates (talk) 17:31, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Certainly not!!!! If you want to advertise this organization, go to a webhost, buy a domain and set up a website. Wikipedia is not a venue for advertising or advocating any cause, however noble in intention; nor is it a directory of good causes. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  17:47, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Now, I am confused. Tokyogirl79 made that suggestion four comments up. That is why YouthAdvocates inquired. Clarification needed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wordsorama (talk • contribs) 18:22, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 * No, Tokyogirl made the suggestion that a userspace draft article be created in a user sandbox. Advocates asked about putting the content into a userpage, which is for other purposes entirely. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  19:27, 7 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete as lacking in-depth coverage in reliable, independent third-party sources. Should such sources be integrated into the article feel free to leave a note on my talk page and I'll take another look. Stuartyeates (talk) 19:36, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep - Here's some coverage in reliable sources, perhaps more are available: Washington Post, The Connection. Northamerica1000 (talk) 09:02, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
 * The first of those is already in the article (and was evaluated in my nomination), and the second doesn't constitute "coverage" by any stretch of the imagination. Deor (talk) 11:37, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
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