Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Children of the Corn: Runaway


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Hellraiser: Judgment. If additional debate about the target of the redirect is required, it can happen on the talk page; but there is clear consensus to redirect, and not to keep this as a standalone page. Vanamonde (Talk) 21:03, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

Children of the Corn: Runaway

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Fails WP:NFILM. Direct to dvd film nothing found in a before search of any interest. Dom from Paris (talk) 02:31, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. Dom from Paris (talk) 02:31, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. Dom from Paris (talk) 02:31, 22 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Children of the Corn (film series) There's no there there outside of a film studio with IP throwing out a film to sucker fans of the series in.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 02:38, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Redirect - Either to Hellraiser: Judgment (it was filmed alongside Judgment and the article contains BTS information about both films) or Children of the Corn (film series) (which contains almost no information about the film).  Dark Knight  2149  04:42, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep - Valid article for recent film, widely referenced online. GarrettOrangeCow (talk) 10:53, 25 August 2019 (UTC) — GarretteOrangeCow (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Keep - I added six reliable citations that discuss filming, release, and marketing. I can gladly add more to this page, if requested. Cardei012597 (talk) 07:26, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
 * With the citations I added, the film passes the necessities of WP:NFF. Filming has started, it has a set release date, cast and all are well sourced. If I need to add more citations, along with info, I can do this easily. Cardei012597 (talk) 07:29, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment - While more citations were added in terms of numbers alone, the article still doesn't justify its existence or tell us really anything about the film. I recommend redirecting it to its sister article Hellraiser: Judgment.


 * Judgment and Runaway were filmed alongside each other for rights retention reasons, and their productions were directly linked (sharing several of the same crew members and filmed in the same locations). The Hellraiser: Judgment article is currently a GA candidate, and it says a lot more about Runaway, its development, why it was made, why its release got delayed, ETC, then the actual Children of the Corn: Runaway article does.  Dark Knight  2149  02:17, 27 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment- If you still don't believe this film passes WP:NFF, even though this article clearly does, maybe actually contribute, add more to this page rather than go the easy route by deleting. Clearly, I've proven there are plenty of citations that describe filming, cast, and release of this film. If you believe Hellraiser: Judgment has more info on this article, maybe find more extra citations that describe similar info from Hellraiser's page. Its obvious this page, at least, passes WP:NFF. This fact alone is good enough to allow this page to stay. I can gladly copyedit the info on Hellraiser's page, reword the info to satisfy our Wikipedia rules, and add it to Runaway. There is no basis or real reason, execept for the fact that it's easier, to delete this page. If I must, I can gather other editors who will follow WP:NFF rules. Cardei012597 (talk) 04:36, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
 * The page is a stub. The number of citations in itself isn't the issue. I'm also not convinced that the film is independently notable enough to stand on its own as an article, having seen the sources in the article myself.  Dark Knight  2149  04:49, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I fleshed out information for the page. Like I said before, the film passes WP:NFF, now with extra content and development information. There isn't any real reason to delete this page, information was found regarding filming, cast, and release; the essential elements to keep any film page in the mainspace. Many citations are from the most reliable news sources and companies (MovieWeb, The Hollywood Reporter, Bloody Disgusting, ect.). The film passes the basic requirements to keep on the mainspace, clear as day. Cardei012597 (talk) 05:04, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I have contacted User:Rusted AutoParts to come be the tie breaker in this situation. He is one of the best users who upholds WP:NFF rules. Cardei012597 (talk) 05:31, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I don’t believe I can participate in this debate at this point, as canvassing can be taken into account and would come off inappropriate. The way the invitation to participate here is worded regards me as a “tiebreaker”. Rusted AutoParts  05:57, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I just want your personal opinion, thats all. Do you believe this film passes WP:NFF? You can agree or disagree, I would just like to hear your opinion on the matter. If you wish to not participate, I understand. I only want to protect this page from wrongful deletion. Cardei012597 (talk) 06:36, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry but I have to agree with Rusted AutoParts that we are at the limit of Canvassing because without want to seem judgemental I don't agree with the statement "He is one of the best users who upholds WP:NFF rules". I checked out his afd stats and in the 9 years he has been on WP he has participated in only 97 AFD discussions and 54% of his !votes matched the result (61% if we ignore the no consensus). In his last 8 !votes (which were on future films) only 3 of his !votes matched the result. Asking for a personal opinion in an AFD and qualifying the person as as a "tiebreaker" is looking to sway the result and I commend Rusted AutoParts for his decision not to participate. If the page gets deleted and you disagree and think it is "wrongful" you can ask for a deletion review. If there is no consensus then it will not be deleted so there is no need to ask for a tiebreaker. If you want their personal opinion for your own reasons then you can ask for it on another talk page. --Dom from Paris (talk) 10:19, 27 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Note: Certain sentences were copy/pasted from Hellraiser: Judgment without proper attribution. The article as a whole is still a stub.  Dark Knight  2149  16:36, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Ok, I'll compromise with both of you. As a consensus, I'll add a stub tag to the film page, we close the discussion, and keep the film page on the mainspace. I will add more within the following weeks and months. I think thats more than fair for all of us and we can finally move on from this discussion. Cardei012597 (talk) 18:15, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't even have to compromise with you. I am doing this to be nice. The simple fact that BOTH of you are choosing to ignore is this: Children of the Corn: Runaway passes WP:NFF. If you even knew what I was talking about, this film would automatically stay in the mainspace. I have not found experienced users who fail to understand WP:NFF rules. The fact is: this film is allowed to remain in the mainspace because it passes WP:NFF. I am being really generous by offering a compromise, allowing a stub tag on this film page. This discussion should close and my compromise become the clear consensus. Cardei012597 (talk) 21:18, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
 * That is not how "consensus" works, and the number of citations alone does not make it notable. WP:NFF only addresses what point an unreleased film should receive an article assuming the topic is notable to begin with. By your logic, any released movie with citations should have its own article on Wikipedia. Children of the Corn: Runaway received very little coverage outside of its announcement, release date & trailer, and horror sites. I'm still not convinced that there is even enough information out there to get the article to an acceptable length that justifies its own existence. It's also an entry in a franchise that has been going direct-to-video for decades, and even the first Children of the Corn isn't as famous as classics such as Nightmare on Elm Street, Friday the 13th, or Hellraiser.  Dark Knight  2149  22:04, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Comparing this film page to others is really quite sad. I am not convinced you understand WP:NFF. Any and all films that can prove that filming, casting, and release was done, with many reliable citations, should be your number one priority, NOT whether or not this page is "like" other film pages. Your argument is very weak. We, at Wikipedia, keep film pages in the mainspace if they can validate filming, cast, and release. This film page has. You can't reasonably disagree with this simple fact. If a film page has proper citations that prove filming, cast, and release, than that page belongs on the mainspace. This is the most important Wikipedia rule upholded for film pages. I have upholded these Wikipedia laws time and time again on other film pages. Your argument is not sufficient enough to warrant deletion, plain and simple. Cardei012597 (talk) 22:35, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I clearly understand Wikipedia rules and what qualifies for the mainspace. I have created over 20 reliable, well sourced articles, and garnered AUTOPATROLLED, NEW PAGE REVIEWERS, PENDING CHANGES REVIEWERS, ROLLBACKERS permissions. One of the articles I created is a GOOD ARTICLE, Kitbull, just like the previously mentioned Hellraiser film page. I don't even care about the Children of the Corn film franchise, but what I do care about is upholding Wikipedia rules and which page qualifies to stay on the mainspace. I am not your average wiki editor, I have learned, practiced, and understood the exact qualities of what a film page needs to stay on the mainspace. Your assessment and basis for deletion is inaccurate and weak. Any and all film pages that prove filming, casting, and release with reliable citations is automatically allowed onto the mainspace. In Wikipedia, this fact has and will always be upheld with EVERY film page, regardless of personal opinion of feeling. You can not prove this simple fact wrong, no matter what debate you give. Cardei012597 (talk) 22:47, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I am done discussing this. You can not prove my facts wrong. You won't be able to convince me or many others of your position. I am moving on to protect more pages from baseless, wrongful deletions. Cardei012597 (talk) 23:23, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I did not "compare it to other film pages" in the way you are suggesting. (My final sentence was meant to convey that this franchise has been going straight to DVD for decades, and even the original isn't exactly the most covered film out there) And this entitled, passive aggressive attitude is uncalled for. Other users are allowed to express their viewpoint in a deletion discussion without having to deal with subtle aggression, and I have years of experience and thousands of edits to my name. I didn't start editing yesterday, even if I haven't been as prolific lately as I used to be. As previously explained, if you think that every single movie that "validates filming, casting, and release" is automatically notable, then I'm afraid you have misinterpreted WP:NFF and should probably read more into WP:MOSFILM. Ask around if you find me untrustworthy.  Dark Knight  2149  23:34, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
 * To be perfectly honest I am dumbfounded by the level of bludgeoning going on here and the lack of understanding of basic guidelines concerning AFD by Cardei012597. If I didn't know better I would guess there was a COI problem here and the fact that you are autopatrolled is very worrying indeed. If I were you I would step away and let the discussion continue rather than trying to negotiate a keep result by using your user rights as an argument. Dom from Paris (talk) 06:36, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
 * As an aside I shall be checking out you article creations to make sure that inappropriate articles haven't slipped through the net. Dom from Paris (talk) 06:38, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   15:06, 29 August 2019 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jovanmilic97 (talk) 09:57, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Hellraiser: Judgment and protect. This film simply has not had the necessary attention or depth of coverage, in reliable sources, to meet WP:NFILM. As an obiter dictum I would note that only the major contributor and User:GarrettOrangeCow, an account created a couple of days after this AfD was posted, favour keeping. Having regard to the history of this article, and the nature of this discussion, I think that salting the redirect would be prudent. 2A02:C7F:4481:8300:90DC:E235:5074:54B0 (talk) 22:36, 13 September 2019 (UTC)


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