Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Children of the Prime Ministers of Canada (2nd nomination)


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The result was delete.  Sandstein  09:25, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Children of the Prime Ministers of Canada
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Fails WP:LISTPEOPLE and WP:NOTINHERITED. Clarityfiend (talk) 08:13, 25 July 2018 (UTC) I am also nominating the following related page for the same reasons:
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 * Keep both. See outcome of Articles for deletion/List of Children of the Presidents of the United States for precedent. -- Earl Andrew - talk 11:53, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment above AfD ended with no consensus, not keep. I would argue that US presidents are more high-profile than Canadian PMs, so consequently there will probably be more coverage of US presidents' children than Canadian PMs'. However, this is just my educated guess which may not reflect the actual sources.  Tera TIX  13:19, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
 * In addition to having been a no-consensus close rather than a clearcut keep, that discussion is 11 years old. So it has no binding value on whether this is eligible for rediscussion or not, because consensus can change. Bearcat (talk) 15:47, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
 * In addition to having been a no-consensus close rather than a clearcut keep, that discussion is 11 years old. So it has no binding value on whether this is eligible for rediscussion or not, because consensus can change. Bearcat (talk) 15:47, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

<div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: A reminder to all participants that this discussion is about these two articles, not any other(s)
 * Question a single AFD can really decide the outcome of this page even when the similar article for the United States has survived the discussion? Kraose (talk) 15:54, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. Children of Prime Ministers are not inherently notable for that fact — while there are obviously some individual exceptions for people who attained their own standalone notability claims in their own right, they don't automatically inherit a free notability pass just because their dad was notable. Justin Trudeau and Ben Mulroney and Caroline Mulroney are notable because of their own accomplishments as adults, not just because their dads happened to be prime ministers. There's no serious value in maintaining a list of the names of every child of every prime minister, however, because most of them aren't of any public interest at all — and the few who are can't reasonably claim to be defined by the fact as a group. And as I noted above, a decade-old discussion that closed no consensus is not a controlling precedent in and of itself for having to keep this — we need to discuss this strictly on its own merits or lack thereof, not on the fact that we couldn't manage a clear decision on a different article 11 years ago. Bearcat (talk) 16:00, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per Bearcat. I question the value and have certain WP:BLP concerns with the maintenance of this (and similar lists). 1) Notability is not inherited 2) Some, if not many of these individuals may be low profile individuals and accorded a elevated level of privacy (especially around birthdates and other sensitive information), and the mere creation of a list has the (unintended?) consequence of elevating the profile of these individuals. 3) Many of the prime ministers have a "personal life" section where information about the PM's family can be found. --Enos733 (talk) 18:34, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~ Amory <small style="color:#555"> (u • t • c) 18:05, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per Bearcat and Enos733. Tacyarg (talk) 23:28, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete Unencyclopedic list, as the nom states Notability is not inherited. ~ EDDY  ( talk / contribs ) ~ 14:07, 8 August 2018 (UTC)


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