Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chile–Finland relations (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep per sources added. King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 01:36, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Chile–Finland relations
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last nomination was a group nomination for AfD. non resident embassies. Finnish govt says nothing about their relations. LibStar (talk) 08:23, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete for lack of multiple, independent, non-trivial sources. - Biruitorul Talk 16:50, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Finland-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 21:15, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Chile-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 21:15, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails WP:N and Wikipedeia is not a directory. 203 individual articles or sections on "Foreign relations of" for each of the 200 or so sovereign nations, with a link to current info on their website as to who they have "relations" with are far more encyclopedic that 20,000 of these bilateral stubs with stale info extracted from the website of a country's foreign ministry. Edison (talk) 03:18, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Closing administrator please note that editor has copy and pasted this argument in 7 AfDs. (As I have copy and pasted this notice also). Ikip (talk) 02:29, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * And what is your point? The stubs fail the same guidelines. It is proper to point that out, and the "Delete" arguments in each case have as much merit as if only placed in one AFD. Edison (talk) 05:26, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Perhaps all the stubs were similar at one point, but not any more.--Moloch09 (talk) 22:35, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Non-notable, not likely to be found so. This article borders on being a mere dictionary entry. -- Blue Squadron  Raven  16:01, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Note to closing administrator This editor has the exact same reason to delete in 44 other AfDs. Ikip (talk) 05:41, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment Please point out the guideline or policy which requires elegant variation in the text when someone is making Keep or Delete arguments regarding a set of articles where the same guidelines or policies lead to their decision in each one. In this case the stubs mostly have the same flaws.  Edison (talk) 06:01, 5 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep - The Allende goverment and the 1973 Chilean coup d'état shaped a whole generation of Finns, and were central to the Taistoist movement. Also, the arrival of Chilean refugees was the largest influx of non-Europeans to Finland upto the date. P.S. - 2 x resident ambassador + state visits. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 07:04, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete i'll need far better sourcine than petri's claim that a coup in chile "shape a whole generation of Finns". In fact, i'll need reliable sources establishing notability for something that, at the moment, has no sources as a topic. Clear delete.Bali ultimate (talk) 01:52, 5 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep. It is a stub.  Judge it as such.   D r e a m Focus  03:09, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * stubs still need reliable sources and third party coverage to establish notability. LibStar (talk) 06:11, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * At least the existence of multiple, independent, non-trivial sources needs to be demonstrated. - Biruitorul Talk 06:22, 5 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Weak Delete as a nn intersection. Much improved but What little there is here is better handled elsewhere. JJL (talk) 13:37, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete as non-notable intersection of countries. Nothing more to state than the location of embassies, which is a violation of WP:NOTDIR. Stifle (talk) 13:41, 5 May 2009 (UTC) Now neutral, as the article has been amended. Stifle (talk) 19:30, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep, I've added a few sources and details on the relationship, but a brief look at Google implies there are probably 15 different topics we could delve into - it seems fairly clear there is a relationship between the two countries. Sherurcij (speaker for the dead) 18:38, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - at least 3 factors from my standards apply: There have ever been permanent ministers or ambassadors between the two countries. The two nations have cooperated in economic, social, environmental, or scientific matters. The two nations have a reasonably significant trade, relative to their respective GDPs. Bearian (talk) 20:23, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * do you have any reliable sources to back your claim? I could not find any information on significant trade relationship specifically "two nations have a reasonably significant trade, relative to their respective GDPs". Finland's biggest trading partner in South America is Brazil. and Chile's biggest trading partner in Europe is definitely not Finland. I would not even think Finland is in the top 20 of Chile's trading partners. LibStar (talk) 00:01, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Chile is Finland's second-largest trading partner in the region, important enough to send their envoys to have economic summits between the two countries. I'd consider that "significant". Sherurcij (speaker for the dead) 00:11, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * given that Chile is the 2nd largest economy in South America you might expect that, the key thing here is significant third party coverage proving notability. LibStar (talk) 00:14, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Passes WP:HEY - 3 good sources (2 in English) attest to the high level of trade: see bird poop & cell phones. Bearian (talk) 13:59, 6 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment - I have expanded the article to DYK status. Far too many reasons for keep to list here (see Chile–Finland relations). The literature section now also contains reliable independent tertiary sources. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 19:09, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep following Bearian--Moloch09 (talk) 22:35, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep notability is now established by the sources provided. Europe22 (talk) 23:51, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep notability is now established because sources are provided.--Amore Mio (talk) 00:34, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. Thanks to a number of contributors, it seems to have grown to quite an interesting article now. I am a bit surprised at some editors inserting a "Non-notable, not likely to be found so" text into dozens of AfD discussions, even if the past experience shows that for quite a few such articles other editors quickly found substantial non-trivial information to add. Vmenkov (talk) 02:01, 9 May 2009 (UTC)


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