Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chimayo pepper


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep.  MBisanz  talk 17:14, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

Chimayo pepper

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PROD declined by.

Original PROD rationale: Doesn't appear to be a notable variety of pepper; I didn't find any in-depth sources about it on search of Google, GScholar, GNews, GBooks, only single-sentence mentions. The two sources currently cited do not appear to me to be RS - Pepperscale is a commercial site that sells pepper products, and Dave's Garden is at least partly user-generated (you can submit info) so that's right out.

Additional AfD commentary: I did another BEFORE search (checking both "chimayo pepper" as a phrase and chimayo+pepper as a two-word inclusive search) before taking this to AfD and I am confident that this is not a notable pepper cultivar. In addition to my above results, I found no substantial hits on JSTOR, Questia, and ScienceDirect.

Of the sources presently in the article:
 * 1) Brewing Local: Single paragraph in a book about brewing. Not necessarily unreliable but not in-depth enough on its own to hang an article on.
 * 2) Taco USA: Single sentence about the pepper.
 * 3) Atlas Obscura: Content from AO is user-submitted. Per their FAQ, "anyone, anywhere in the world can add to Atlas Obscura." Although "all contributions to Atlas Obscura are reviewed by our editorial team", it isn't clear to what extent - copyediting only? fact-checking as well? Either way, user-submitted content can't substantiate a notability claim.
 * 4) PepperScale and Dave's Garden: Discussed in original PROD rationale above.
 * 5) Columbus Dispatch: One single sentence, fails depth requirement.

Overall, there isn't enough content about this particular cultivar to support an article about it. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 15:03, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions.  CASSIOPEIA(talk) 16:36, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New Mexico-related deletion discussions.  CASSIOPEIA(talk) 16:36, 23 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Merge into Capsicum annuum Keep, see below. (previously: Dave's Garden and several other sites seem to indicate that this plant is some variety of C. annuum, and while that may be nothing more than a marketing ploy (and therefore not a botanical designation or varietal), the idea that it is a "special" kind of chili seems to exist.  If the article were about this idea rather than about a kind of plant, it might be possible for an article on it to be worth retaining.  As an article on an imaginary variety of plant that nevertheless is a kind of C. annuum, a merge seems like it might handle this well enough.  That merge should end with this chili being no more than mentioned, however.   A loose necktie (talk) 20:44, 23 March 2019 (UTC))
 * The C. annuum article doesn't mention any other cultivars/varietals, so that would be WP:UNDUE in my opinion. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 20:51, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I just found an entry in a published source, The Field Guide to Peppers, that mentions the Chimayo as a strain of C. annuuum. I then found an article in another published source, The Complete Chile Pepper Book, that also mentions it as a landrace of the same plant.  Given these sources, I am changing my vote from "merge" to "keep". A loose necktie (talk) 21:14, 23 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment: According to the USDA: "...and, of course, Chimayó chile, an heirloom variety cultivated in the small valley for more than 300 years." Here is a paper and another from New Mexico State University that describes it as a landrace culitvar. See also Restoring a Sacred Seed and its Name: Chimayó (University of Arizona) and maybe some of the references at Chimayo,_New_Mexico. Note: alternate spelling Tsimayo. --mikeu talk 14:42, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep: While this is locally notable and only recently gaining more widespread attention I'm seeing academic sources discuss the topic and press coverage. There appears to be enough reliable sources to improve this article. --mikeu talk 15:03, 24 March 2019 (UTC)


 * I'm curious to hear what the nominator thinks of the Google Books returns, which at the very least seem to indicate that this pepper passes WP:V. And what do they think of https://www.foodandwine.com/travel/sante-fe-chimayo-chile-counterfeit? Abductive  (reasoning) 18:15, 28 March 2019 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.