Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chin Chun Motor Co., Ltd.


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The result was keep. Liz Read! Talk! 23:02, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

Chin Chun Motor Co., Ltd.

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No significant coverage and fails WP:CORP. It also can't be merged anywhere per the Wikipedia policy WP:V. SL93 (talk) 01:33, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Companies and Taiwan. SL93 (talk) 01:34, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment there seems to be less information than in the Chinese (Taiwanese?) Wiki page on the same topic. Also there are references that are cited for the statements made. I wonder if that information should be transferred here first so a more appropriate decision can be made? NealeWellington (talk) 08:19, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
 * , I've posted some sources below. Cunard (talk) 07:28, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.  The article notes: "慶眾汽車過去以生產福斯（VW）T4商用車聞名，結束與福斯的合作關係後，2000年時曾取得現代汽車代理權，但2002年代理權轉由三陽接手，慶眾就轉型為三陽代工廠. " From Google Translate: "Chin Chun Motor used to be famous for producing Volkswagen (VW) T4 commercial vehicles. After ending the partnership with Volkswagen, it obtained the agency rights of Hyundai Motor in 2000, but in 2002, the agency rights were transferred to Sanyang, and Chin Chun Motor transformed itself into the Sanyang foundry."   The article notes: "慶眾汽車轉型為同集團的三陽工業「專屬代工廠」後，為三陽代工、經銷現代商（Hyundai）用車產品，以及代工生產國防部軍用卡車. 由於現代與起亞產品系出同門，設計、零件共用比率極高，成為慶眾汽車爭取起亞代工的優勢，慶眾可針對現代與起亞車款，同步開發零件，降低生產成本. 但市場傳出慶眾汽車取得三陽轉過來的軍卡組裝訂單後，對爭取起亞代工案態度趨於被動；但業界質疑，現代集團是否願意讓慶豐集團統包現代與起亞在台所有業務. " From Google Translate:  "After Chin Chun Motor was transformed into the "exclusive foundry" of Sanyang Industry, which is the same group, it is the OEM for Sanyang, the distribution of Hyundai's vehicle products, and the OEM production of military trucks for the Ministry of Defense. As the products of Hyundai and Kia are from the same family, the ratio of design and parts sharing is very high, which has become the advantage of Chin Chun Motor in striving for Kia's OEM. Chin Chun Motor can simultaneously develop parts for Hyundai and Kia models to reduce production costs. However, it was reported in the market that after Chin Chun Motor obtained the military card assembly order transferred from Sanyang, its attitude towards winning the Kia OEM case tended to be passive; however, the industry questioned whether Hyundai Group is willing to let Chin Chun Motor take all the ownership of Hyundai and Kia in Taiwan. business."   The article notes: "慶眾汽車看準國內旅遊巴士需求市場，透過同屬慶豐集團的三陽工業牽線，取得中國大陸第一大巴士製造廠金龍聯合汽車公司（大金龍）技術授權，擬在台組裝金龍巴士銷售. 但慶眾汽車主管昨（18）日不願證實. 不過，消息人士透露，此計畫若順利推展，慶眾最快能在一至二年內開始生產金龍巴士，將成為第一輛在台生產「大陸車」. " From Google Translate: "Looking at the domestic tourist bus demand market, Chin Chun Motor has obtained the technical authorization of the largest bus manufacturer in mainland China, King Long United Automobile Company (King Long), through the help of Sanyang Motor, which is also under the Qingfeng Group, and plans to assemble King Long buses in Taiwan for sale. However, the head of Qingzhong Automobile was unwilling to confirm yesterday (18). However, according to sources, if the plan goes well, Qingzhong will be able to start producing King Long buses within one to two years at the earliest, and will become the first "Continental car" produced in Taiwan."   The article notes: "與三陽工業（2206）同屬慶豐集團的慶眾汽車，早年是與福斯汽車合資成立，並導入T4商用車生產迄今，後因故福斯撤資，慶眾仍保留在台組裝銷售T4權力直至2010年. " From Google Translate: "Chin Chun Motor, which belongs to the Chinfon Group together with Sanyang Industry (2206), was established as a joint venture with Volkswagen in the early years, and has introduced T4 commercial vehicles for production so far. The public still retains the right to assemble and sell T4 in Taiwan until 2010."   The article notes: "慶豐集團整合旗下汽車事業，本月起將慶眾汽車銷售、服務部門，併入三陽工業子公司南陽實業，慶眾汽車轉型為純汽車代工廠. ... 慶眾集團積極抓住柴油車成為市場熱潮的商機，包括慶眾積極協調韓國原廠，希望能提供更具競爭力、能符合四期法規的新商用車種，明年在台生產、上市；" From Google Translate: "Chinfon Global Corporation has integrated its automobile business. Starting from this month, Chin Chun Motor's sales and service departments will be merged into Nanyang Industrial, a subsidiary of Sanyang Industrial. Chin Chun Motor will be transformed into a pure automobile foundry. . . . Chinfon Global Corporation actively seizes the business opportunity of diesel vehicles becoming a boom in the market, including Chin Chun Motor actively coordinating with Korean original factories, hoping to provide more competitive new commercial vehicles that can comply with Phase IV regulations, which will be produced and launched in Taiwan next year;"  <li></li> <li></li> <li></li> <li></li> <li></li> <li></li> <li></li> <li></li> <li> This articles provides a paragraph of coverage about the subject. The article notes: "In 1991, Volkswagen had partnered with Chinfon Trading Group and jointly invested NT$4.8 billion (US$148.37 million) in the establishment of Chin Chun Motor Co. Ltd. to produce the Volkswagen Transporter T4 front-engined van on the island. However, with the two firms constantly at loggerheads over business operations, the relationship eventually ended on bad terms, with the German automaker deciding to pull out of Taiwan in the wake of the Asian financial crisis in 1997." </li> <li> The article notes: "是 1991 年 7 月 10 日,隶属台湾三阳汽车工业公司董事长个人事业的庆众汽车投资公司与德国福斯 V.W.公司签约,在台湾生产 V.W.商用车,成立台湾第 11 家汽车制造厂,庆众汽车公司投资比例占 66.6 % ,德国福斯 V.W.公司占 33.4 %. " From Google Translate: "On July 10, 1991, Chin Chun Motor, which is affiliated to the personal business of the chairman of Taiwan Sanyang Automobile Industry Co., Ltd., signed a contract with the German V.W. company to produce V.W. commercial vehicles in Taiwan, and established the 11th automobile manufacturing plant in Taiwan. The investment proportion of Chin Chun Motor accounted for 66.6%, and the German V.W. Company accounted for 33.4%." </li> </ol>There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Chin Chun Motor to pass Notability, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Cunard (talk) 07:28, 25 April 2022 (UTC) </li></ul>

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 02:05, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment: I expanded and added sources to the previously unsourced article. There are more sources and more content in the Chinese Wikipedia article at zh:慶眾汽車. Cunard (talk) 07:28, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Weak keep as would be happier if there was more coverage other than one independent source (Economic Daily News - three articles). The quote from a directory and a government paper lean towards self promotional so I don't think they are sufficiently independent of the subject. Thanks to Cunard for updating and hopefully someone else will put in further information. NealeWellington (talk) 09:29, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep: I think that has shown that there are enough reliable sources about the subject for sufficient coverage. Alan Islas (talk) 11:53, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep agree with Cunard. Thanks for finding sources. Taung Tan (talk) 09:57, 30 April 2022 (UTC)


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