Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chinese Community United Methodist Church, Oakland, California


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The result was   merge to Chinatown, Oakland. The Bushranger One ping only 02:11, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Chinese Community United Methodist Church, Oakland, California

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Unsourced article, contested PROD. PROD was contested with the addition of a PDF of the original document of the Methodist plan for missionary work to the Chinese, which, while interesting, is a primary source and therefore can't assert notability. p b  p  13:31, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 18:24, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
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 * Redirect to Chinatown, Oakland where it already has a fully developed section. I was surprised not to find any significant coverage of this 125-year-old congregation, but I could not find any - either at Google News Archive or at Google Books - so it does not meet our criteria for a standalone article. --MelanieN (talk) 23:12, 19 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Merge and Redirect, I too was surprised at the lack of coverage of this congregation as it was important in the anti slavery movement of chinese women, in conjunction with the Gum Moon house in San Francisco. The pastor Chan Hon Fun and lay leader Lee Hong Tay had relations (Jueng Hee) that were 'saved' by the org to be Gum Moon. Excerpt: "'At Gum Moon House, Jueng Hee was taught to speak, read, and write in English. She was converted to Christianity. Being only ten years old, they taught her the traditional domestic duties of a wife, cleaning, sewing, and cooking. Jueng Hee lived in the mission for over six years. In 1877, she married a young Chinese photographer, Lee Tong Hay, who was a local “street” preacher for the Methodist church in the Chinese community. In the early 1880’s they bought a house in Oakland, at 1972 San Pablo Avenue. There they ran the photo business, serving the large number of Chinese workers residing in Oakland. On Sundays, Lee Tong Hay preached the gospel in a Methodist church that served both the Chinese community and some members of the local Caucasian community as well.(5) They had eleven children! One died in childhood, but the rest grew up, married, and had families of their own. '" and references to this document (though not on the internet): (4) Gum Moon House original records (Dr Staley) and on http://www.gbgm-umc.org/awrc/html/hist-begin.htm. (5) California Illustrated Magazine, “Can a Chinaman Become a Christian?”, Spring. 1892, pages 622 - 632.


 * To be clear, I am good with the proposed decision for the CCUMC article to being in the Oakland Chinatown article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinatown,_Oakland#CCUMC though it needs to be rewritten as mine is original http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chinese_Community_United_Methodist_Church,_Oakland,_California&oldid=287885582 but the Chinatown,_Oakland version http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chinatown,_Oakland&oldid=418065277 is cut and pasted from the website http://www.chinesecommunityumc.org/aboutus.htm.


 * By the way, the "addition of a PDF" is a PDF from http://ucblibrary3.berkeley.edu/ the UC Library system, so I think it is not a primary source but is indeed a RS.


 * To further be clear, I removed the PROD because this message "You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page." so I removed the  and added the edit summary:
 * "removed: as this was important in the Women's Missionary Society of the Pacific Coast antislavery actions".
 * Was this action of removing the an incorrect action on my part ? rkmlai (talk) 00:56, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * No, it's perfectly acceptable to contest a PROD (see WP:PROD). A contested PROD can be nominated for AfD, but it can't be PRODded again  p  b  p  03:47, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Rkmlai, thanks for that information. I hope you will add whatever can be sourced to the section in the Chinatown article, if this artlcle winds up getting deleted. And you were correct to remove the Proposed Deletion (PROD), which is only for situations where the deletion is uncontroversial. For those articles that need more thought, this (deletion discussion or AfD) is the way to go. You can't remove the AfD notice from the article, however; that will be done by an administrator after the discussion here reaches consensus. --MelanieN (talk) 03:59, 20 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Merge and redirect as above. Stuartyeates (talk) 08:37, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Merge to Chinatown, Oakland, where similar or better text appears. It may be a simple question of redirecting.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:15, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect, adequate coverage.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 05:38, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
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