Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chipokota Mwanawasa


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus.  —&#8288;Scotty Wong &#8288;— 21:00, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Chipokota Mwanawasa

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Apart from being daughter to Zambian third President, I don’t see any sign of notability per WP:GNG to warrant a standalone article Megan B....   It’s all coming to me till the end of time  17:04, 24 November 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain (talk) 01:37, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.  Megan B....   It’s all coming to me till the end of time  17:04, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete Lawyer/farmer, smells about the same. Nothing notable here. Oaktree b (talk) 19:07, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Please consider striking smells about the same - this is a living human being worthy of being discussed in a dignified manner, whether or not she is notable. Netherzone (talk) 15:21, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
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 * Comment. Being the daughter of a former president isn't inherently notable, but it certainly hints at likely notability. She's also Special Assistant for Public Policy to the current president (or perhaps not). pburka (talk) 20:53, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep/Do Not Delete..Chipokota is actually an advisor to the Zambian president and, when she was appointed, she was the first woman advisor since 2002. She travelled with the Zambian president for a number of meetings in Europe and was covered by a lot of media houses. Content from countries like Zambia is always shot down. Notability should not be set at standards of say the USA alone. In Zambia she is very notable and that should be good reason to keep her here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mwanaapeluke (talk • contribs)
 * Keep Notable, but another example of Wikipedia lacking consensus on reliable sources from that part of the world, leading to a systematic bias in determining notability. LondonIP (talk) 19:27, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete in short, it's Too Soon, and there isn't enough reliable coverage. Basically the entirety of the article is her educational resume.  The in-passing mentions of her in sources about her father don't make her notable.  The article linked by pburka casts doubt that she was recently appointed to anything, and simply being a vague "advisor" may not be enough for notability. User:力 (powera,  π,  ν ) 20:22, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep We'll keep any article talking about a thrice-removed/12th cousin of a POTUS or UK Prime Minister whose only notability was shouting 'do you know who my cousin is?' during an arrest, but this article about a presidential daughter from Africa is not enough? The resume tone needs reduction, but once again, this is the English world Wikipedia, not just one for the 'acceptable' Western world.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 04:30, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Seems obvious at this point. She has held key government posts.Plus her father was a former president. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Supercopone (talk • contribs) 06:57, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Has held key government posts so meets WP:BIO on that criteria. --CappellsFromSkelmersdale (talk) 11:35, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete The only government post that I can see is as special advisor to the President (her father). The post itself is not notable; there's a vast difference in notability of being advisor to the leader of a geo-strategically significant country with 300+ million people versus that of one of 18 million which even in subregional terms (Eastern/Southern Africa) is of middling importance when compared with South Africa, Kenya, Zim or Mozambique. Other than the pieces on the appointment/non-appointment (which in themselves do not constitute notability), the reliability of the sourcing is borderline and all are mere mentions (blogspot sourcing is certainly unreliable).  There's no in-depth coverage, or passing (rather than mentions) coverage across multiple reliable sources to satisfy a generous interpretation of WP:BASIC.  Searches turn up very little. In terms of commentary regarding systemic bias - if we are talking of people and issues related to the 20th Century and earlier, this is certainly more of a case in terms of online sources.  But we are talking of a contemporary figure; the notion that African media reporting *today* is in the same condition as last century or even a decade ago, is utterly mistaken.  I can accept in certain pockets (eg CAR, DRC, South Sudan) there are clear contemporary gaps, but Zambia is far from those circumstances.  Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 03:13, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. Seems kinda notable and has some sort of internet coverage that I could find. HelpingWorld (talk) 20:57, 12 December 2021 (UTC)


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