Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chippie Polar Cup


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   merge to Association football in Curaçao. Black Kite (talk) 15:12, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Chippie Polar Cup

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PROD contested by article creator; there is no evidence of notability. GiantSnowman 09:12, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 09:13, 12 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Why should this get deleted? It is a valid tournament in Curaçao, which big clubs from Netherlands, Suriname, Aruba, Bonaire and Curaçao have participated in. It is to promote football on the island, and features clubs from the Sekshon Pagá as well as clubs like Ajax, Feyenoord, Hubentut Fortuna, RKSV Centro Dominguito, Walking Boys Company, FC Groningen, and more. I agree more can be said about this tournament, but most articles you will find on it It is a four day tournament that takes place in Curaçao, sponsored by Chippie Mobile, the main cellphone service providers in the Netherlands Antilles. If you google the tournament you will find plenty of articles written about it in Dutch and Papiamento. I have gathered what I found on the Duthc Wikipedia, and translated it, I agree more information on the subject would be nice, but I don't see that a reason to delete the valid information that we have. Curaçao is a valid country in the World, even if it is a small country. This tournament is one of the bigger tournaments they have. The Amsterdam Tournament from Ajax is also an invitational tournament with its own articles. The South African Rothman's Cup also has i's own article. I have already added more sources to the article, I feel there should be more articles on football in the Netherlands Antilles and in Suriname in general, and that this one needs to be improved, but not deleted. Subzzee 02:00, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Just because something exists does not mean it is notable. You have failed to demonstrate how this meets the general notability guideline - has it received significant coverage in reliable, third-party sources? No. GiantSnowman 20:41, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
 * YES It has seen significant coverage in reliable, third-party sources!! Did you even bother to check? Obviously not! Just because you have never heard of it in England (I am assuming that is where you are from) does not mean it is not a very relevant event 7,500 Km away from where you are in the World. What do you want to prove the tournaments notability? Do I have to provide links to every single article write up about this event? I very well can, I suggested you google it, to save me the effort. You won't be able to read most of them, since they are either in Dutch or Papiamento for the most part anyway. I have provided links to the sources of all my information listed, as this tournament has seen coverage not only in the ABC islands, but also in the Netherlands (maybe not in England, but who cares if England is paying attention or not, makes no difference to us). Curaçao just went through some political restructuring, and as a result this tournament has been put on hold since they are no longer a part of the Netherlands Antilles, and their Football governing body has changed. This tournament however is not done for, and I find it very rude and inconsiderate for you to come around and say that this tournament lacks in notability, when it is the biggest friendly football tournament in Curaçao, apart from the Sekshon Pagá (league play) and the ABC Championship (another tournament which is played between the various Dutch islands, that I am sure you have not heard of, since you seem to be very ignorant to the on goings in the Dutch Caribbean football sphere). Tell me what you need to see in order for this article to remain intact (I have intentions of improving this article, as there is a lot more detail which can be included, just have not gotten around to it), but don't come with this snobbery about notability, when we are discussing a tournament which has seen top clubs from various countries in the Dutch Kingdom, just because you feel it is irrelevant in your microcosm. Subzzee 22:59, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I couldn't find any - and seeing as you have not provided any I gather you can't either? GiantSnowman 09:15, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Fine, I will add some articles to show this tournaments validity when I get home from work. Subzzee 1:49, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Caribbean-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 19:00, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
 * THis is a legit tournament, that is won several times by Dutch Clubs. Please review the following Cite Quotes: Enjoy-Curacao ; Coverage in one of the biggest Dutch online news sites Nusport.nl ; Covered in the Dutch Worldnews (radio station on Longwave) . I agree with Subzzee that this IS a notable, albeit friendly, tournament.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Silvainm (talk • contribs) 19:39, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Wow, thank you Silvainm. Nice to see that I am not the only one here who feels that this tournament is worthy of an article (granted the article needs improvement, but worthy none the less), I will list more news articles below, as requested, thanks.


 * - Article published in Bi-Monthly Curaçaoan Magazine - Paradise Magazine.
 * - Article published in online Dutch football Magazine - Soccer News.nl.
 * - Article published in online Dutch Magazine Waterkant - about Suriname losing to Brazilian side Flamengo from Teresina at the Chippie Polar Cup in 2008, which was eventually won by FC Groningen.
 * - Article published on website of Dolfijn FM one of Curaçao's biggest radio stations - Dolfijn FM
 * - Article published in Dutch newspaper De Gelderlander from the Gelderland province in Netherlands - De Gelderlander.
 * - Article published in Dutch online magazine - Radar.

I hope these are enough news articles relating to the tournament, if you need more I can provide them, but with the three articles that Silvainm listed, along with mine, you now have nine third party articles, in addition to the sources I listed in the main article, from very credible sources, that I think justify this write up. I am not arguing that this article needs improvement. I agree with that, and had intentions of coming back to make it better, but I don't think it should be removed. Curaçao however small it is, is a real country (even if it isn't sovereign) with it's own currency, and culture, and I think that their events are not any less valid then any other friendly tournament hosted in a wealthier country. Subzzee 19:23, 17 December 2012 (UTC) 
 * Many thanks - I have asked at WT:FOOTY for someone to check the sources for notability (I don't speak Dutch unfortunately). GiantSnowman 09:00, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Theo polisme  21:11, 19 December 2012 (UTC)




 * Merge - per my comments here. I can't see the need for both and agree one of them should go, but I don't really have a preference for which. Stalwart 111  02:26, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I would support a merge as a compromise, ideally both into Dutch Caribbean Stars‎. GiantSnowman 09:13, 20 December 2012 (UTC)


 * The Chippie Polar Cup has very little to do with the Dutch Caribbean Stars. The Dutch Caribbean Stars have only played in one Chippie Polar Cup to date. I think you are confusing the Dutch Caribbean Stars with the Netherlands Antilles national team (which was disolved after the disolution of the Netherlands Antilles) Curacao are their successor of their FIFA records. Dutch Caribbean Stars are an AllStar team of players from Aruba, Bonaire Curacao and Netherlands of Antillean decent. The Chippe Polar Cup has seen various teams from the Dutch Caribbean islands play in them, including Hubbentut Fortuna, SV Britannia, Deportivo Barber, and more. Please don't make it your mission to delete these articles without reasoning, because the reason suggested as of now is not accurate. Both articles are valid entries, I have supplied numerous news sources, and can happily provide more even though I think some 20+ articles should suffice. I will improve both articles as I have been doing, but to lump the two together makes little sense, as they have little in common, except the the Dutch Caribbean Stars played in one of the Chippie Polar Cups, and they are both football subjects from the Dutch Caribbean islands. Subzzee 16:02, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
 * If we could pick this back up after the Holidays it would be appreciated, as I will be traveling and will have limited access to the internet, I return from my travels on January 3rd and would be happy to discuss this further, and to see if I can take the necessary steps in improving this article to where it can meet all Wikipedia requirements and standards. With that said happy holidays and happy new year, and I will talk to you soon. (Same goes for the Dutch Caribbean Stars, since I will be out of town) Subzzee 11:29, 23 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep. I think the sources listed above may be enough to pass GNG; neither my Dutch nor my knowledge of Dutch-language media are good enough to properly assess their quality. But the competition seems to be one regularly held over several years, with well-known clubs entering. I don't think we should discriminate against this one because the sources are relatively less accessible to the English speaker. If the closing admin disagrees, I'd suggest a merge to Association football in Curaçao, which is a one-line stub. Either way, removing most of the pretty flags might be an idea. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 12:42, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.