Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chithra Ramakrishnan


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was delete. Proto :: ►  10:41, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Chithra Ramakrishnan
Was tagged and re-tagged as (by User:Theoldanarchist) but it asserts quite a bit of notability. May or may not be authentic. No vote. — CharlotteWebb 15:57, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

I am here after a long time and hence mistaken as vandal!! i am her fan actually. She is one of our singer popularising our art across the globe and she is very actively engaging in not for profit concerts. so i am slowly collecting information. Pls Dont delete! Webmediaconsultant
 * Delete; no proof of notability, 42 unique G hits. --Fang Aili talk 16:46, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete A search doesn't find much on her, and nothing that seems to satisfy WP:MUSIC, unless she searches better in Hindi. Fan-1967 16:49, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Dont DeleteShe is singing in Tamil, a regional language. Dont weigh always with an english yardstick. - This is my strong arguement. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Webmediaconsultant (talk • contribs)
 * True, we shouldn't always weigh with an English yardstick. However, that means that other language sources must be found. Someone being foreign does not mean that the requirement for sources will be waived. Fan-1967 16:56, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Do you expect a Tamil Classical artist will get hits like that of a popular singer? i can not agree and here i wanna argue diamonds are rare! Will you compare a great opera player with that of Jacksons!? MJ will get million hits in google but will take the sheen away from a classical violinist of Vienna Philormonic Archestras popular guy!? Give some reasons! See she is reported in one of the prestigious local poular english daily at http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/mp/2006/02/04/stories/2006020401950100.htm or consult someone with tamil back ground Webmediaconsultant 17:15, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * moreover Tamil is a tricky language. her name is also mentioned as Chitra ramakrishnan (no H) and can take many forms. see this search also yields some results in google at http://www.google.co.in/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=zNW&q=%22chitra+ramakrishnan%22&btnG=Search&meta=
 * Unless this singer is also a pulmonologist or stockbroker, it appears that the results of that search are overwhelmingly for other people of the same name. Fan-1967 17:33, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment What are the films songs sung by her   Doctor Bruno    17:59, 1 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete per Fan-1967. My initial concern, and the reason for tagging it originally, was that this page had been recreated after ReyBrujo deleted it as a copyvio.  Then, Webmediaconsultant removed the speedy tag, and made some changes to the article.  I felt, and still feel, that the article does not meet the notability requirements.  Add to that his unfortunate choice in name, which left me with the impression that he was creating an article to advertise for a client---the article still reads more like an ad to me, even in its current state. ---Charles 18:13, 1 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete - this is an ad, not a NPOV encyclopedia article, with "exemplary musician" and "renowned musicologist" (and that's just in the intro). This also has the scent of "article for hire" that Jimbo Wales has been trying to discourage for the past few months (maybe the originator's username is just a coincidence...?). She is probably notable enough in the Tamil community, but there are serious problems here with the article, and unless it's just a coincidence, we may have a visit from Jimbo regarding the initiator of the article. B.Wind 01:17, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment it appears that the above opinion has been given without even reading the article once. Please avoid such irresponsible opinion in AFD. THis is supposed to be a place for lively and healthy discussion and not just "i want to delete because my friend wants to delete" kind of scenario. Such Irresponsible and half baked votes/ opinions will ultimately lead to the failure of this project.   Doctor Bruno    05:55, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Au contraire - I came to my conclusion after carefully re-reading the article. If there is a coincidence between the username and a previous matter that reached WP:OFFICE, then that is indeed unfortunate. But it doesn't change the fact that the article reads like an article-for-hire that violates WP:NPOV. B.Wind 09:38, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Please note that the terms "exemplary musician" and "renowned musicologist" never referred to the subject of the article, but to another renowned musicologist. Your first comment about the NPOV issue was based on the misconception that the terms were used for the subject of the article, where as in fact, it was not like that. My comment was regarding that only. Sorry if I am dumb not able to even communicate this is such a way that even a very smart guy like you is not able to understand   Doctor Bruno    18:45, 2 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Dont Delete - I strongly object all the above criticisms by B.Wind and others.. for the following reasons...

1) First my name can not be a reason for jumping into a conclusion!lol! It is a childlike arguement!

2. Moreover consider the fact about Google result. She is residing outside the indian subcontinent and she can not have more programs in the western world where she lives. All those google results are simply documenting Carnatic Programs done in India and hence dont get carried away by the number of results. If she would have been living in Chennai then she would have definitly got more programs... more web coverage, more numbers. So kindly consider this simple fact too.

3) Then it is not an ad! Moreover see the last objection by B.Wind. He said that Chithra is mentioned as "exemplary musician" and "renowned musicologist" . But this shows how careless are they!. it is not attributed to her but to her Guru T.V.Gopalakrishnan ... Ask anyone in the carnatic field about T.V.GopalaKrishnan one of the stalwart of carnatic music. I again reproduce here what i have written for all to judge ... " She is currently pursuing her music under the expert tutelage of Shri.T.V.Gopalakrishnan, an exemplary musician and a renowned musicologist.". So please read clearly before pointing fingers. Then if my writing style is mor of an "ad" kindly note that I am a post graduate in Marketing n advertising. help me to change the tone of the article or word usage than jumping from the bench like school boys to VOTE FOR DELETION. Moreover I believe in Kaizen. So this article will be improved and i just requested some time. Dont limit wikipedia only to elite and experienced wikipedians. Even new ppl can contribue and improve slowly .. otherwise the whole concept of WP is meaningless.. Hope you (we) are not in a hurry n partison manner.

4) also note What Bruno has told as comments to Mr Wind.. and in the articles talk page... I am reproducing the same here ...


 * Because of the simple reason that a tamil name can be written in many ways in English, the Google Hits cannot be taken as a factor for asserting notability


 * Not all Indian Newspapers have web presence. Not all articles are published in Web. In case of Vernacular papers, they are not searchable as they use hundreds of different fonts


 * Comments like media shill (which mean that the user is "promoting" the subject of the article) are against established norms of Wikipedia. Please talk about the article and don't target the creator Such comments in bad faith disrupt wikipedia    Doctor Bruno    18:12, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Webmediaconsultant 04:50, 2 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete as per Fang Aili. --Brad Beattie (talk) 03:19, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment Any reason? Have you understood the tamil Font issue http://www.infitt.org/tscii/archives/msg00821.html etc as putforward by Bruno. or simply press the red button?!
 * Comment Fang Ali searched with Just One way the name can be written in English. He came with 42 GHits. IT has been later explained that Tamil Names can be written in Many ways. How come you go by the initial contention even without explaining the counter points raised   Doctor Bruno    18:12, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.