Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chloe Sagal


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:00, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Chloe Sagal
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Just some Internet drama regarding an unnotable individual. Niemti (talk) 18:14, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Btw (citing this article, and Sagal's claims): "Some years later, she showed signs of metal poisoning from shrapnel which had been left in her body after surgery, and she was informed that if left untreated it could become fatal within months." Metal poisoning ("from shrapnel" or not) has no Wikipedia article, because such medical condition doesn't exist (and obviously one can't "show signs" of it too). And yes, it was scam (which is why it was pulled down by Indiegogo and all money returned). --Niemti (talk) 18:23, 15 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete Difficult to call, but this does appear to be a article about someone of little notability, but a particular eagerness for stirring up publicity and/or attention. Being a developer of a game doesn't make her notable.  Particularly when the game itself doesn't appear that notable.  -- Escape Orbit  (Talk) 19:35, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

I'll also note I posted a lot of tags and indicated how most of everything there is Sagal's own claims. --Niemti (talk) 19:56, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
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 * Rename - This article is clearly a pseudobiography within the meaning intended by WP:SINGLEEVENT. The game dev herself does not appear notable and the only actual coverage of her alone (the 1st paragraph in the biography section) uses questionable sources. But the event itself seems to meet WP:GNG due to the presence of multiple reliable sources. Eurogamer is an RS that is cited within the article, and there is also coverage of the event (not the developer) at several other RSes listed at WP:VG/RS like IndieGames.com (here), HardcoreGamer.com (here), and Destructoid (here). There isn't an overwhelming amount of coverage, though, so the GNG is only satisfied at a low level and I'd entertain arguments that the article might be a net negative (e.g. by serving as a vandalism magnet, etc.). -Thibbs (talk) 12:19, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
 * What "event"? A failed scam (with no fraud prosecution and even no victims as nobody lost any money) and an alleged (no proof for that) failed suicide? We can help by not giving any attention (just like all the media ignore the alleged suicide attempt and it's only a small Internet drama on twitter and tumblr). Also all kinds of "facts" there are so sketchy that even "Chloe" is apparently not a real name. Nothing to see here, move along. --Niemti (talk) 12:24, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I respect your opinion on this issue, but even (allegedly) failed scams that are significantly covered by multiple reliable sources meet the GNG and can have a place in Wikipedia. There are plenty of silly things that are notable despite their silliness. It's not Wikipedia's place to provide public service by censoring nonsense that's covered in the RSes. I do see McGeddon's point about the degree of coverage though. There's no question in my mind that this is/was a minor event. And if you're right that all reliable media have ignored things like the suicide attempt then of course they shouldn't appear in the article. -Thibbs (talk) 15:54, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
 * This coverage was more like: "hey, you, YES YOU, a dying developer needs your money or will die off due to metal poisoning from shrapnel! update: oh well whatever" (and now even the Destructoid guy followed with it now only on his twitter and didn't write a new article) Not even video game tabloids write about it. But if you really must, you can briefly mention the scam (and the resulting antics) somewhere in the Indiegogo page, but I think it's kind of stuff that belongs more on places like Encyclopedia Dramatica (where ironically there's nothing about it). --Niemti (talk) 16:37, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
 * A merge to Indiegogo would be ok too. -Thibbs (talk) 18:20, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Or to Destructoid. I don't know if you heard about their Transgate, which is possibly bigger than the initial scam, but also unreported in the mass media. (Even if as if now entirely leaked.) --Niemti (talk) 04:19, 22 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete - this is much more a WP:SINGLEEVENT than a biography, but from the sources I was looking at yesterday when cleaning it up, I don't think it yet meets WP:EVENT. Press coverage is currently shallow (just repeating forum posts rather than any investigative journalism) and seems niche, and it's not yet clear whether there will be any ongoing coverage or "lasting effect". --McGeddon (talk) 12:55, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
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