Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/ChrisFix


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Overall consensus is that WP:GNG or WP:NBIO are not met. Eddie891 Talk Work 12:21, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

ChrisFix

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Does not appear to be a notable individual. Bulk of sources are from his YouTube channel. Only significant coverage seems to be from his college's newspaper. only (talk) 00:30, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Please use the correct formatting if you are going to ask for a deletion. Also make sure you put your stance on the article's deletion at the beginning of your post: Keep, Delete, etc. Sneasel talk 16:57, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * What incorrect format have I used? And my nomination statement above is my reason for deletion; I don't have to put the word "delete" in bold for it to be understood to be my stance.  I've been on Wikipedia for something like 14 years and an admin for most of that time... I generally understand how AFDs work, but if I've done something wrong, please tell me what I've done incorrectly.  only (talk) 17:04, 29 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Internet-related deletion discussions. Lightburst (talk) 02:24, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Lightburst (talk) 02:24, 29 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep User only does not seem to grasp the prominence Chrisfix has online. If the article for Chrisfix were to be deleted then many other Youtuber's pages must be deleted. Chrisfix pass NBIO. As of right now, he has over 6 million followers on Youtube. As for the sources, User only should take the time to clean up the article instead of tagging for deletion. Here's a couple sources that can be used: Source 1, Source 2, Source 3. Sneasel talk 16:57, 29 July 2020 (UTC) — Note to closing admin: SneaselxLv94  (talk • contribs)  is the creator of the page that is the subject of this AfD.
 * I don't think any of these 3 links show notability through reliable sources. The first two appear to be blogs which are considered to be generally unreliable; the third is not a substantive focus on him in its inclusion on a list of 8 different channels.  Please show what specifically he meets in the WP:NBIO criteria via reliable sources.  Saying "he has 6 million followers" isn't really showing he's meeting criteria.  only (talk) 17:11, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep This article has several source citations and is updated frequently using social blade live counts and other published articles. This Wikipedia article should not be deleted, as it contains reputable information and is updated regularly with cited information. User only 's suggestion that he is not "notable" because of the citations does not reflect the YouTuber's notability  but rather the lack of citations that have been added from reputable websites, of which there are many (i.e. Popular Mechanics, Forbes). I have started to add such citations.--WikiWikiClick (talk) 21:36, 6 August 2020 (UTC)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiWikiClick (talk • contribs) 03:35, 6 August 2020 (UTC)  — WikiWikiClick (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * The Popular Mechanics mention is on a page with about 25 different YouTube channels. It is not a much more than a paragraph about this YouTube channel so not a great source to establish notability.  only (talk) 21:44, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
 * User only Thank you for your response. There are multiple Popular Mechanic articles; please note the one I just added, which is entirely dedicated to the YouTuber. Also, I'm unsure of how to add references to the following, but he was featured in a print copy of Popular Mechanics as well as a printed Irish newspaper . Also, ChrisFix is the world's largest automotive DIY YouTuber; I'm not sure how you can become more notable than quite literally ranking at the top of influencers in a category. He is referenced in articles all over the world--I am currently adding references to those articles, but I want to make sure that I do it properly on the main page./282252372064731WikiWikiClick (talk) 22:45, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  20:57, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you Ritchie333 for updating this thread. Please note that only 's original concern was that the YouTuber is not notable. While I believe that I have made multiple improvements since the article was first published, I would like others to also consider Wikipedia’s basic criteria in regard to a few of the sources that have been cited. Wikipedia’s basic criteria states, “If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability” . I have updated and improved (and will continue to update and improve, as time avails) this article with multiple reputable and reliable secondary sources, including Popular Mechanics, AutoWeek, The Kerryman, and The Daily Targum to continue to prove that there is sufficient sourcing available for this article. I currently have a list of sources that I am compiling and vetting; the aforementioned sources will be added to the article in the upcoming days, as I write content that fits Wikipedia's guidelines and style. Please advise how I (and other editors) can continue to improve this article. Thank you.WikiWikiClick (talk) 04:26, 8 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete Sourcing is very poor and does not demonstrate a pass of WP:GNG or WP:NBIO. The consensus at many previous AFDs has been that high subscriber counts are not enough to demonstrate notability on their own; see the chart of AFD outcomes at WikiProject_YouTube/Notability where Youtubers with upwards of 10 million followers have been deleted due to lack of WP:RS coverage.
 * A brief paragraph about a video he made, with no information about him that is actually usable for an encyclopedia - which is what the few citations to decent sources like Popular Science and Autoweek are - is not significant coverage. Student newspapers are not generally considered to be reliable sources. There is a mention of a Forbes reference above - the only relevant result I found searching for "forbes chrisfix" was this, which is not an actual Forbes article but a Forbes contributor piece which is essentially a random person's blog post with no editorial oversight (see WP:FORBES), and even if it were it wouldn't be SIGCOV anyway. This on Yahoo is a reprint of an article from Carmudi which is a commercial website and evidently not a reliable source. The other sources presented here and in the article are either a) his own social media, a primary source that does not contribute to notability; b) unreliable blog sources which should never be used in biographies of living persons; or c) passing mentions. Spicy (talk) 05:49, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * The Kerryman article should not be ignored, as it is a reputable source that is about the YouTuber. Also, the Kerryman article verifies the YouTuber's accomplishments and recognition abroad. Likewise, the Daily Targum article should not be overlooked, as it provides significant coverage from a reliable source independent of the subject. I'm unsure of how the Daily Targum article could be deemed unreliable by the previous editor. The Daily Targum is the second-oldest (and one of the largest) college newspapers in the United States and reaches thousands of people in both print and digital form daily. About the Daily Targum: "The Daily Targum has been a repeat recipient of the Columbia Scholastic Press Association's Gold Crown Award, the highest recognition a college newspaper can be awarded in the United States, and the Associated College Press's Best In Show award" . talk:WikiWikiClick#top|talk]] WikiWikiClick (talk) 16:58, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * This is the third time you've voted "keep" in this thread. You only get to vote once. Spicy (talk) 23:50, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Spicy Would you suggest that I merely remove the word "keep" or move my addenda to my original comment?WikiWikiClick (talk) 00:02, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Removing the word "keep" is fine. Spicy (talk) 00:03, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Salvio 16:15, 15 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete - per Spicy above. Based on current sourcing, I think the subject fails GNG. Sources are also at least 60% linking to YouTube videos by the subject and the third party sources have very little coverage of the subject. As Spicy highlighted, articles by Forbes contributors don't count as reliable (unless it's written by their staff). — Infogapp1 (talk) 16:22, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete, per nom. Subscribers are not a notability criteria. Other articles aren't considered when we discuss an AfD (WP:WHATABOUTX). Ifnord (talk) 16:33, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete: Barely found anything about him aside from his YouTube activities. ASTIG😎  (ICE T • ICE CUBE) 14:20, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep sufficient sources exist.--RZuo (talk) 22:51, 16 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete: Sufficient sources do not exist, and this would not be the first time I asked RZuo to produce the ones they think do. No evidence the subject has significant coverage in reliable sources.   Ravenswing     11:53, 24 August 2020 (UTC)


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