Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chris Burnett (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. The detailed source analysis is persuasive and has not been convincingly rebutted. Vanamonde (Talk) 17:26, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Chris Burnett
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Unsourced for years, not notable blp. Ratnahastin(t.c) 13:19, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 13:40, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Kansas-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 13:40, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

*Keep - Paul McDonald sources seem good, but they should be added to the article. Kevin19781 (talk) 00:53, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep in a minute or so, I found a good number of news articles that show a pass of WP:GNG. This is an example of where editing is the answer, not deletion.  Examples:  All About Jazz, JazzIz, KCUR 89.3, Salt Lake Tribune, and Fox 4 KC... and more.--Paul McDonald (talk) 16:30, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment Kevin19781 and Paul McDonald while most of these sources indeed appear good at a glance, with all due respect a closer study after clicking the links and reading the content, I doubt any of these five examples provide coverage that meet wikipedia standards as significant.


 * All About Jazz is a website that printed (and credits) this subject’s own business’s press release.


 * JazzIz Is potpourri of weekly roundup jazz news items that name checks the man as the instructor for an upcoming jazz music “boot camp.”


 * Not an article about him, but about a music venue in the museum where he coincidently works as the marketing manager. The only mention of him is where he is quoted with a comment about the venue—there is nothing significant about a reporter quoting the onsite person in charge of PR.


 * Fox 4 KC Much like the previous one, this article is not about this person. Chris Burnett is quoted only in his role as the article subject's former teacher and marketing director of the local jazz museum. And the subject of this article is his nephew!


 * This is the only one, IMO, that comes close to being independent coverage, but it’s a brief, fairly run-of-the-mill listing for public radio for an upcoming appearance, written by a contributor who blogs about the local jazz scene. It’s not particularly weighty.


 * This subject may yet be proven as a notable person in the local Kansas City jazz scene with more searches for references (I may do it if I find time), but I don’t think wikipedia notability is backed up by any of these references presented here. ShelbyMarion (talk) 18:08, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: For a further review of the sources.
 * Weak keep Likely meets notability based on the number and quality of sources, though I am concerned by the two jazz sources not seeming remotely reliable.Jackattack1597 (talk) 10:42, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 00:12, 21 July 2021 (UTC) I promised I would do a deeper search if I had time. A google of this subject’s name + Jazz + Kansas City reveals many similar hits noted in the keep votes above. These range from event announcements to name checks within the larger local jazz community—all of which are to be expected of someone who, per his Linkedin page, is a multifaceted self-employed jazz entrepreneur who runs his own jazz awareness non-profit company that sees him wearing many hats:, instructor, band camp organizer, vanity recording label owner, jazz museum CEO, music store owner, etc. In all these capacities he is his own marketer, and every reference I found seemed to originate in some way or another from his own efforts. Other editors made this same observation in the first AfD discussion.
 * Delete per my comments detailed above, where I found none of the sources an editor suggested be added met RS criteria.

The keep votes above state the article can be saved by drawing from these many references. Indeed, there are plenty that fall in this promotional, run-of-the-mill music scene announcements that appear in both reliable and non-reliable sources. But where among them is significant third party coverage that could actually be sourced for a wikipedia article? I made a genuine search to find at least one example and thought I may have found it in this magazine: It’s a lengthy article by an independent author overseen by an editorial staff. But then I investigated the publication a bit more. The magazine seems to be little more than a networking publication of the local arts foundation, containing similar types of articles/profiles on professionals who support the organization. Mr. Burnett’s non-profit is listed among the hundreds of voluntary contributing supporters of this endeavour. In other words, become a “partner” and we’ll write an article about your business in our magazine.

As near as I can tell, the subject of this article is very adept at “tooting his own horn” (as one would expect from a saxophonist!) with unchallenged peacock verbiage (“internationally recognized”, “worldwide audience” from when he toured with the Army band) to inflate his resume highlights. His efforts have found their way into numerous lengthy encyclopedic entries in user submitted jazz musician databases, including this wikipedia article, which was significantly trimmed during the prior, non-consensus AfD discussion, where the saving defense seem to come from COI editors and unregistered SPA editors (possibly himself?)

In reality, this subject is just one of thousands of successful working musicians. No doubt very good and admired, But when you shave away the cruff, all we are left with is a decorated career veteran of the Army band; returned home after his service and established himself respectably and successfully in his profession. That’s all well and good, but there’s nothing extraordinary in this, nor is it encyclopedic worthy. ShelbyMarion (talk)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  —&#8288;Scotty Wong &#8288;— 06:23, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete: Firstly, the text of the article itself is describing the subject's youth and military career: I have no comment/expertise on whether his career and medals may contribute to WP:BIO notability. The subject's post-service musical career is missing from the article, but could perhaps be filled out from some of the sources discussed above - but are they indicating notability, or simply in-role quotes from the various endeavours involving the subject? Regarding AllAboutJazz as a source, it is important to recognise that it has two aspects: bylined articles and reviews on the one hand, which are solid and usable to support articles here, but on the other hand reproducing PR profiles etc.; unfortunately their content on this subject falls into the latter aspect. I broadly agree with 's analyses above and am not seeing evidence of the subject meeting the WP:MUSICBIO notability criteria. AllyD (talk) 08:29, 29 July 2021 (UTC)


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