Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chris Carter (wide receiver)


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The result was   keep. After reaching the Heymann standard (non-admin closure) Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:06, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Chris Carter (wide receiver)

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Fails WP:ATH, WP:GNG, and WP:NSPORT. He was released today by Seattle before playing in a game. He has been re-signed by the Seahawks.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  21:47, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions.  —Tom Morris (talk) 22:01, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of American football-related deletion discussions.  —Tom Morris (talk) 22:01, 29 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete Fails WP:GNG and WP:ATH.-- Giants27 ( T  |  C )  22:49, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep Meets WP:GNG after significant edits since AfD nomination cited 10 reliable sources, showing significant coverage exists for the player. In college he was conference offensive player of the year and named all-conference three times, meeting the spirit of WP:NCOLLATH. He ended his college career as the leading receiver in school history.—Bagumba (talk) 19:14, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Out of the "10 reliable sources," I'd say only this article is sufficient enough coverage towards meeting WP:GNG. The other references are run-of-the-mill. Also, I don't see how winning Offensive POY and all-conference thrice in an FCS conference that was established just seven years ago should make him automatically pass WP:NCOLLATH.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  19:18, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
 * WP:BIO says "If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources may not be sufficient to establish notability" I believe the combination of the sources demonstrates GNG. The sources are constructively used in an article, as opposed to just listing them in an AfD. This is not the case where multiple trivial sources only mention his name but are used to overwhelm an AfD. Some of the sources are smaller than others, but they collectively fill the timeline for his bio.  Note that I said his awards met "the spirit of WP:NCOLLATH." While it does not meet the literal interpretation, it meets the spirit that a player who wins a significant conference award like POY and sets multiple school records is likely to have significant coverage even if they have not all been exhaustively identified. In any event, I am satisfied that the current level of sources meets GNG, and his conference and school accomplishments are far from WP:Run-of-the-mill. In the worst case, I believe that there are other sources out there (behind a paywall online, or in library archives) and deletion is premature. —Bagumba (talk) 20:19, 30 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Weak keep. I agree with Eagles247 that the Seattle Times article is the only one that is a true feature on Carter, and that one is actually as much about the more famous Cris Carter and the coincidence in having another receiver with the same name.  I also agree that conference honors in a third- or fourth-tier conference like the Great West Conference aren't entitled to as much weight as all-conference honors in a BCS conference.  That said, his Player of the Year honor, multiple UC Davis records, along with the Seattle Times article are marginally enough to vote to keep. Cbl62 (talk) 21:22, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment. If this is kept then I would suggest a change of title. My first thought on seeing the phrase "wide receiver" was that it must be some sort of sexual slang. It was only on further investigation that I discovered that it was a piece of jargon from a sport that is only played seriously in one or two countries. Phil Bridger (talk) 22:43, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
 * That's the WP:NFL naming convention and any other disambiguation will not work.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  22:56, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Then the naming convention needs to be changed. To a general reader "wide receiver" means nothing. If there are other players of this sport that this article needs disambiguation from then the article title should be Chris Carter (American football wide receiver). Phil Bridger (talk) 22:02, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Continue this naming discussion outside the AfD to either Naming conventions (sportspeople) or WikiProject National Football League. —Bagumba (talk) 07:09, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Change shuttlecock to "birdie" also :-) —Bagumba (talk) 04:35, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.