Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chris Garcia


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Just want to note that there are some really good !vote rationales below ~ Amory  (u • t • c) 22:28, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

Chris Garcia

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Following some some discussion, AfD was brought up here as an option for a somewhat problematic article. There is doubt as to whether his position as (former?) Acting Director of the Minority Business Development Agency automatically guarantees notability. I don't know, though I'm not convinced that it does. The subject himself doesn't seem to pass GNG since all the coverage, except for that about his resignation (if that's the proper word?), is just very quotidian: a man doing his job, as one of our editors put it. In addition, the article is (or was) highly fluffed up and written/edited by someone who seems to be a COI editor. The history will tell you who that is, and the history will also tell you that there's BLP violations and edit warring in here: I scrubbed some BLP violations from the talk page history. As an admin, I don't think it warrants deletion out of a sense of BLP security, but it's something other editors may feel differently about. Drmies (talk) 21:28, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete - his position doesn't meet WP:NPOL or WP:POLOUTCOMES, a resume like article with COI issues. Melcous (talk) 22:19, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. His position was not high enough to confer automatic notability, and I found when trying to improve the article that the sourcing was thinner than it appeared, heavily reliant on press releases from the agency he headed. I was unable to find more to add except a second news article about his resignation; both are mentioning him briefly along with three other people. So unless someone else has better luck, I don't believe he meets GNG either, and it becomes a case of too soon. Yngvadottir (talk) 22:23, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 23:17, 31 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment. No automatic notability, but the circumstances under which he left are potentially notable, possibly as United States Department of Commerce cancelled security clearances incident, 2018. Why was the Administration's pre-appointment vetting not good enough to catch the issues that eventually led to his dismissal? But I could not find any follow-up coverage in the Washington Post. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 23:33, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete his postion was too low to show notability. Beyond that the discussion of his leaving office relies on reusing anonymous sources. The Washington Post may chose to published such shoddy, unverified information, but we do not need to chose to repeat it. We need better sourcing to make such assertions, and any way we lack any show that Garcia held a notable postion. Not all political appointees in the executive branch of the Us federal government constitute holding a notable position.John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:03, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
 * User:Johnpacklambert, please clarify what you mean with "shoddy, unverified information". If you want to throw shade you'll have to shine a light on the issue first. Drmies (talk) 16:17, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. When I came across the article it seemed at first as if the problem was edit warring, with BLP and COI issues. Increasing scrutiny has confirmed that this was a puff piece from the start, a resume for a government appointee whose notability has not been securely established. 2601:188:180:11F0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 02:45, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
 * delete per others. Corky  04:08, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete the position fails WP:NPOL, and the sourcing of the article doesn't show he has independent notability or is even well covered generally per WP:GNG. SportingFlyer  talk  21:10, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep Garcia was a director of the historic, civil rights-era Federal agency Minority Business Development Agency is notable. This is a Senior Executive Service level position that reports to the Secretary of Commerce. Garcia's appointment also underscores the rise of Hispanic and Latino conservatism in the United States. Furthermore, there appears to be a suppression attempt by some editors to show that there are in fact Hispanic Americans that supported Donald Trump's presidency and who subsequently served in Trump Administration. Washdc2018 (talk) 18:52, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment, if I read you right, you're making a loaded accusation regarding other editors' motives. If that's the case, you can take it to WP:ANI. But unless you can point to a group motivation that eludes me, I'd be careful of WP:BOOMERANG. By the way, there wouldn't be any WP:COI, would there? 2601:188:180:11F0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 22:24, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. Having been "a director of the historic civil rights-era Federal agency Minority Business Development Agency" could get him into Wikipedia if he could be reliably sourced over WP:GNG for it, but it is not an automatic notability freebie that exempts him from having to receive media coverage. But this is excessively dependent on primary sources that cannot support notability at all, and the few sources that are actually media coverage are not about him substantively enough to give him the "notable because media coverage exists" treatment (which has context and depth and range and volume tests, and is not instantly passed by every single news article that happens to have a person's name present in it.) Bearcat (talk) 14:29, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete - he was short-term and acting head of a sub-cabinet level agency. That does not convey automatic notability. Nor does being the first Latinx convey automatic notability. The coverage is neither significant nor ongoing. He basically made the news one news cycle for having resigned. To be blunt, so many Trump officials have resigned that resigning as he did so common as to prove the banality of evil and to require Rachel Maddow to build a wall bigger that what Trump has proposed. Bearian (talk) 22:34, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete After reviewing this page, I would recommend we delete the page for Chris Garcia. It appears that Mr. Garcia has nothing remarkable or notable that would necessitate having a Wikipedia entry. Receiving a Gates Scholarship is impressive, but is not notable. Beyond that, Mr. Garcia has not accomplished much yet in his life. The page lists him as a businessman/entrepreneur, though there are no mentions of any notable businesses that he has founded or led. His work speaking at conferences is not worthy of a Wikipedia page and neither is his appointment as acting director of a small federal outfit. This is especially true considering he held this post for a mere 9 months. To the best of my knowledge, no other directors of the Minority Business Development Agency have Wikipedia entries, and this is even more true of acting directors with very short stints. This page should be removed.2601:645:8000:8946:DB7:1F6B:EC24:D8E0 (talk) 04:49, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete Not sufficiently notable. DaveApter (talk) 12:14, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete Chris Garcia's impact on government and business is not notable. Article appears to have been solely written by Chris Garcia (COI). 171.64.210.158 (talk) 20:49, 7 August 2018 (UTC)


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