Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chris Raaber


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The result was no consensus. –&#8239;Joe (talk) 07:00, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

Chris Raaber

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Doesn't meet WP:GNG. No significant coverage in reliable independent sources. Only primary and WP:ROUTINE coverage HHH Pedrigree (talk) 16:30, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. KCVelaga (talk) 04:44, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
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 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Austria-related deletion discussions. KCVelaga (talk) 04:44, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

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 * Comment I cannot find anything in English sources. The one Japanese one is WP:PRIMARY. I do not know if there are potentially some out there in other languages though based on his time in Japan and Europe. -  Galatz גאליץ שיחה Talk  01:50, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Weak keep. It looks like the top 4 Austrian newspapers, between them, have mentioned Raaber a total of 3 times. Two appearances are trivial; he is mentioned in passing as one of several wrestlers in an event lineup (Presse, 6 July 2017 and 24 April 2018). The third appearance is a charity event announcement (SN, 3 March 2017). This guy is clearly not a legitimate celebrity, not even locally. On the other hand, there is an interview with Raaber in a 2009 issue of Profil, a distinguished political magazine, and a short biography of sorts in a 2015 art book (Peternel and Peternell, Who the Fuck is Alice?, Kein & Aber). I guess that means he technically meets GNG, having received significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. Damvile (talk) 01:52, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Nosebagbear (talk) 08:25, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. The "short biography" is a single paragraph, 120 words long. I think it's a stretch to refer to this as "significant coverage." Even if we accept the paragraph as significant, we currently have significant coverage from a grand total of 2 (two) independent sources, which means we'd be stretching the definition of "multiple" too. Kramler (talk) 12:49, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment Regarding "significant", a mention isn't significant if it's long, it's significant if it's not trivial. A mention is trivial if it's unconscious and/or automatic and/or unavoidable. When Raaber appears on a list of wrestlers appearing in some wrestling event, that's a trivial mention because his inclusion does not prove the author of the list has given Raaber any thought, considers Raaber interesting, or would have remembered Raaber's name the next day. When a writer makes the conscious choice to include Raaber in a book in which his appearance is not obvious, then this is evidence of Raaber having been noted, i.e. being notable. Regarding "multiple", it has always been policy that 2 sources can be enough, especially if the subject is geographically or recentism-istically disadvantaged, which is the case for Raaber. Lastly, Raaber has had a 90-minute movie made about him. Assuming you don't want to argue that a 90-minute movie is insignificant, that brings the number of sources up to 3. Damvile (talk) 01:20, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- RoySmith (talk) 22:56, 2 September 2018 (UTC)


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