Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chris Urbanowicz


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Editors (band). Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  23:31, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

Chris Urbanowicz

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Actually nominating this for a redirect as the subject is not independently notable aside from his work in Editors (band) and most, if not all of the content is covered in the band article and his own article is incredibly poorly sourced, serves as little more than a promotional outlet, trivial nonsense (the entire personal section) and all coverage is almost exclusively about his work in the band. Also per WP:MUSICBIO specifically "Note that members of notable bands are redirected to the band's article, not given individual articles, unless they have demonstrated individual notability for activity independent of the band, such as solo releases [...] CHRISSY MAD  ❯❯❯  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯  19:02, 9 July 2018 (UTC)


 * I agree the article could be sourced better, but re: the notable artist thing, aside from his work as Druids, he has also produced an album of the band The Spectors, and he has collaborated with Andy Burrows. It does seem like user Chrissymad got a bit triggered by attempts to change the photo on the page, which is in essence just a bit of banter by the way. Also I've never used this part of Wikipedia before so apologies if I'm doing this wrong. User:Hvn42 —Preceding undated comment added 19:13, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I could care less about the photo, thanks. CHRISSY MAD  ❯❯❯  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯  19:19, 9 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Oppose deletion or redirect. Of course I assume good faith on the part of all editors. However, I am uneasy about the nominator's motives  timing  in this instance. The nomination for deletion or redirect comes almost instantly in the wake of edit warring today in which the nominator was involved, creating the appearance of personal pique . The BLP at issue has been on Wikipedia since August 2006‎. It did not just suddenly become "incredibly poorly sourced … little more than a promotional outlet, trivial nonsense," and there has been no discussion whatever at Talk:Chris Urbanowicz for the past 11 years—which would have afforded interested parties a chance to remedy deficiencies. I urge editors to look objectively at this and not jump to conclusions. KalHolmann (talk) 19:22, 9 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Can you please stop questioning my motives? I nominated it because it did not appear to be notable and was in fact doing so before anyone started edit warring but decided at the time a redirect was plausible given what I cited. I have no ill will toward anyone but my attention was not brought to this until an edit filter was triggered and I reversed the very first edit. Please stop casting aspersions. As far as the talk page- why not discuss it here? I see no evidence that he meets inclusion criteria, as per what I've said. How else do you come across an article you're not looking for other than through the course of doing other work on Wikipedia? I'm not an endless fountain of knowledge that knows everything that has ever existed here, give me a break. CHRISSY MAD  ❯❯❯  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯  19:25, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Chrissymad, I apologize for offending you. But I believe you are not the right person to be nominating this BLP for deletion or redirect at this time, based on today's s contentious edit history of that article. KalHolmann (talk) 19:29, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Excuse me? What history? I removed a copyrighted photo, that is literally it. I've not engaged in any other manner with any user other than explaining copyright issues in my edit summary. How does that exclude me from nominating an article for deletion? Can you please tell me how I am involved aside from removing a photo? CHRISSY MAD  ❯❯❯  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯  19:32, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Chrissymad, since you mention edit summaries, your first today was straightforward: "Copyvio."
 * Your next summaries were increasingly testy, culminating in what struck me as an exasperated redirect followed 13 minutes later by nomination for deletion.
 * "It doesn't matter what the subject wants - we do not allow copyrighted content and it's plainly obvious he did not take the photograph."
 * "No, it is the photographer who holds the copyright. not the subject. and again, subjects do not dictate what an article contains."
 * "boldly redirect per WP:MUSICBIO, "Note that members of notable bands are redirected to the band's article, not given individual articles, unless they have demonstrated individual notability for activity independent of the band, such as solo releases." - the band is notable, he is not, redirect"
 * "Nominated for deletion; see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chris Urbanowicz."
 * This may be your idea of an objectively detached Wikipedian going about one's work. My impression differs. KalHolmann (talk) 19:59, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I'll also ask publicly what ulterior motive you are accusing me of having, thanks. CHRISSY MAD  ❯❯❯  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯  19:39, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
 * And you've failed to explain how on earth that makes me involved. Being straightforward is not testy. I could care less about the subject matter. You've also failed to back up your claim that I am somehow involved and have an ulterior motive. If you can't provide it, I'd ask that you kindly redact your false statement as it's irrelevant to this discussion. CHRISSY MAD  ❯❯❯  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯  20:05, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
 * For what it's worth, I see no issue with this article being AfD'd by Chrissymad at this time, involved or not. The intention of AfD is to come to a consensus about the fate of this article going forward - whether it be kept, deleted, or another result as appropriate. Consensus about the article is now the important thing, not a discussion about whether it was nominated by the 'right' person. I'm also aware that I was removing the photo in question from the article, as a purely policy-based point of there being no indicated permission from the photographer - noting that the image has now been deleted from Commons for that reasoning too. Let's try and now focus on the article itself, photograph aside. stwalkerster (talk) 19:41, 9 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Redirect per nomination - non-notable musician. Hiàn (talk) 02:44, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Hhkohh (talk) 03:40, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. Hhkohh (talk) 03:40, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. Hhkohh (talk) 03:40, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. Hhkohh (talk) 03:40, 10 July 2018 (UTC)


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