Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chris Vice (2nd nomination)


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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 17:19, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Chris Vice
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I share the same concerns as when he declined the speedy. There's sourcing present that wasn't when this was deleted last year, but my opinion is that it's not to the level required to meet Entertainment or General notability guidelines. Have no issue with the re-creation, editor was not involved in prior article history or its AfD. Star  Mississippi  16:56, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
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 * Courtesy pings from prior AfD:  Star   Mississippi  16:58, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete: Last year, I asserted the following: "Does the subject meet WP:NMMA? No; that guideline sets a pretty high bar that someone with two bouts in an obscure martial art doesn't meet.  Does he meet WP:ENTERTAINER?  Not in being a sometime-wrestler for two minor promotions, not even close.  Does he meet the GNG?  No.  There you have it."  Adding citations from primary sources and obscure fanboy webpages doesn't change the equation.   Ravenswing      17:45, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment - I know about as little about this topic as possible, and I'll disclose that my personal opinion of "wrestling" is pretty low. That said, if this topic has not acomplished anything notable, why do we have a farily in-depth article regarding the "championship" the topic won?  Why do we seem to have articles on the great majority of individuals who have won this championship?  Do we have a walled-garden problem here?  Thanks!   78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 20:56, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * From what I've seen at HD/Tea House and WP:AN&I, this is known issue with wrestling related articles. Beyond that, I'm in the same place as you on the larger issue. Star   Mississippi  21:12, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
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 * Delete - this version relies too heavily on primary sources, data bases and trivia mentions. One thing in common with the previous AfD is the issue over the title and whether or not it confers notability. I state that it does not as the win is not attracting substantive independent coverage. Addicted4517 (talk) 07:37, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete There is no significant independent coverage that meets WP:GNG, just lots of wrestling databases and some routine event coverage. Wrestling titles are irrelevant to notability since pro wrestlers are considered entertainers and not athletes for SNG purposes. Papaursa (talk) 14:41, 26 October 2021 (UTC)


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