Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chris Walters


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Jayjg (talk) 02:02, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Chris Walters

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Procedural nomination. Article was prodded by with the rationale "Fails notability." Talk page comment added by author indicates that deletion is not uncontroversial, so bringing it here for discussion.

I am neutral. &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 18:00, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Photography-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 20:01, 25 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep The article had been updated as of a couple of minutes ago. I still need to add information to the bio and include gallery information. Chris is a very notable Cleveland photographer. He has a big market appeal in a smaller market like Cleveland. This is unique in the advertising and editorial photography business. He has worked under some of the top photographers in the country. Some of his recent images of Shquille O'Neal have been used to market Mr. O'Neals first curated show early this month. He has photographed some of Clevelands VIP - Matt Fish (Owner Melt, recently on Diner and Dives), Betty Suttion (Congress Woman), Nick Smalc (Producer Q104), Mike Polk (Comdedian, created the cleveland "Hastily made tourism videos). Lebron James, Shaquille ONeal, Gary Waters (CSU basketball Coach, Horizon League Coach of the year).

I do hope that the wiki of Chris Walters is seen as notable enough. Again, I will be adding more bio and gallery information.

Thanks --HimUpStairs (talk) 20:25, 25 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment. Yes, I'm still waiting for that gallery information. In the meantime, I'll say that what sourcing there is is strangely obscure. An example is ""Outstanding Portfolio" Ohio Institute of Photography 2001". What is this -- a magazine article, a web page, or what? -- Hoary (talk) 07:50, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

--HimUpStairs (talk) 22:15, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment Busy week, will try to update more by friday Thanks.

--HimUpStairs (talk) 16:30, 3 March 2010 (UTC)  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JohnCD (talk) 23:03, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment There is a minimal gallery information to be added, but I doubt that information will influence a decision to keep or delete. At this point the only other information that I can contribute is a bio. I do feel the bio is enough to sway the decision. The bio is one of a rough upbringing, him in and out of legal system as a youth, death of a drug addicted brother. Learning disability, and social awkwardness. Its a person who overcame many obstacles and challenges in life. If this info will sway the decision to keep his wiki then Ill add it. Let me know to proceed. Thanks.]
 * In order for this article to be kept, you need to demonstrate that Mr. Walters meets the notability guidelines for people, which in short means that he has to have received some substantial coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Blogs and the subject's own website are not considered reliable sources for the purposes of establishing notability. &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 16:46, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Weak Keep The article is in great need of reliable references that aren't self-published. Jim Heaphy (talk) 06:07, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak delete, needs sources.. most of the refs listed so far simpy seem to be photo credits & bios rather than features or interviews. Hairhorn (talk) 21:53, 7 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete I might change my mind based on the awards noted (but not sourced) in the article. But even with the awards his notability is questionable. He seems to have no presence on Google except his own web page, facebook, and flickr. The Google search is hopelessly confusing because there are at least three photographers named Chris Walter (without the s), besides this guy Chris Walters. The guy under discussion, Chris Walters, is found at http://chriswaltersphoto.com/ where he is described as a "Cleveland-based advertising and editorial location portrait photographer." But Google seems much more interested in people named Chris Walter (without the s) including http://www.chriswalterphoto.com/ (a Texas-based wedding photographer), http://photobychriswalter.com/ (a Kansas City-based wedding photographer) and http://www.chriswalterphotography.com/biogallery.html (a guy from England). And I have no idea where http://www.chris-walters-photography.com/-/chris-walters-photography/ and http://www.chriswphotography.com/ fit into  the picture.  (BTW it should be noted that User:HimUpStairs is the author of the article and appears to be a WP:SPA.) --MelanieN (talk) 01:08, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment in response to the question above, about whether it would "sway the decision" to add biographical information: no, it wouldn't. Please understand that what we are evaluating here is not the man himself, or his character, or even his work. What we are evaluating is simply whether he is "notable" according to Wikipedia's definition, namely, that outside reliable sources have taken note of him, written about him, granted him the kind of recognition that is needed to be in an encyclopedia. Without significant independent recognition of him, we cannot keep the article, no matter how meritorious he may be personally. --MelanieN (talk) 01:15, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Good googling there, MelanieN. -- Hoary (talk) 01:48, 11 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete. There's virtually nothing here. He may be an "emerging" photographer; if so, let's wait till he has emerged, with books and/or exhibitions and writeups of these (or at least reliable notices), and then some disinterested person would be welcome to write an article about him. -- Hoary (talk) 01:48, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
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