Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chris Wells (American football)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   speedy keep. It's snowing Mgm|(talk) 09:32, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Chris Wells (American football)
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Wikipedia has come to an understanding of what constitute notable athletes. These guidelines have been discussed and debated extensively and used repeatedly as the foundation for AFD discussions conerning non-notable athletes. Per WP:ATHLETE athletes generally have to fit one of the following two categories to warrant their own article:
 * People who have competed at the fully professional level of a sport, or a competition of equivalent standing in a non-league sport such as swimming, golf or tennis.[9]
 * People who have competed at the highest amateur level of a sport, usually considered to mean the Olympic Games or World Championships.

This means that eventhough an athlete may receive coverage in their local paper or play at a collegiate level, where they receive coverage for their involvement in a team, they are generally not notable until they play at the highest level. There are several HS and College players who have existing articles.

This is a non-notable college football player who hasn't done anything. He is no more notable than your local newsreporter or councilwoman. Just because there are some articles, doesn't make the player notable. --- Balloonman  PoppaBalloon 07:01, 14 December 2008 (UTC) KeepMeets WP:N guideline-- 2008 Olym pian chit chat 17:53, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. Per nom. Kittybrewster  &#9742;  09:02, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. (Balloonman has nominated several college football players for deletion with the same rationale, so I will post my same rationale to all of his AfDs.) WP:ATHLETE is considered to be an additional criterion to notability, as indicated here: (Should a person fail to meet these additional criteria, they may still be notable under Wikipedia:Notability.) Whether this player may or may not meet WP:ATHLETE should not be the question. The basic criteria, as outlined by WP:BIO, is that these players must be the subject of published[3] secondary source material which is reliable, intellectually independent,[4] and independent of the subject.[5]. It also says that if the depth of the coverage is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be needed to prove notability. Take a look at the sources referenced by the article - do they not meet these requirements? I think they do. BlueAg09 (Talk) 11:26, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 00:05, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep WP:N trumps WP:ATHLETE. I expect every competent administrator to know this. SashaNein (talk) 19:31, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT (talk) 16:21, 17 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep WP:ATHLETE does not, nor do any of the other additional criteria, make WP:N invalid. The additional criteria are used to determine notability of various classes of subjects that may fail WP:N yet still be notable enough for an article.  That is why the additional criteria are there, not because the athlete in this case needs to meet more strict criteria, but that if enough coverage under WP:N cannot be found, WP:ATHLETE can be consulted to see if they still merit an article.  No subject that meets WP:N should be deleted based on notability criteria, regardless of how many additional guidelines the subject fails under.  Theseeker4 (talk) 16:40, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Speedy Keep - Apparently this was also nominated by Balloonman when he listed a bunch of college football players here a few days ago, but wasn't put here for some reason. There's no question that not every bench-warmer who plays college football should have an article here, but Wells is not a bench-warmer; he is the starting running back for the Ohio State Buckeyes, one of the most popular and successful teams in college football. He clearly meets the general notability guideline and therefore should be kept.  Giants2008  ( 17-14 ) 17:29, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep I remember I could turn on ESPN in September and count on hearing about Chris Wells and his injury in every single show. The starting running back of a high profile Top 25 team easily meets WP:N.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 19:37, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. Google news pulls up 241 recent news hits for "Beanie Wells". He was also a second team All-American last year. --Smashvilletalk 00:04, 18 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep meets WP:NThe Locke (talk) 00:21, 18 December 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.