Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chrissa Miller (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Miss North Dakota USA. Redirect is always preferred over deletion and consensus is to redirect the non-notables so closing as such (non-admin closure) – Davey 2010 Talk 23:05, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

Chrissa Miller
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The previous discussion was largely predicated on the flawed view that winners of Miss North Dakota USA are default notable. The general consensus in recent discussions is clear that winners of such a title are not at all default notable. So we are left to look at sources. The sources basically are what we would expect for a non-notable person. One is a paper published at the university she was a student of. University newspapers are generally not good sources to pass GNG. The other is an article from the local Bismark paper ostensibly about her. However it really is about the Minnesota Timberwolves Dance Team, and uses her as the local hook to cover a broader topic. There is no consensus that members of such teams are notable, and one article in the paper in the town she is from is just not enough to demonstrate notability. John Pack Lambert (talk) 06:28, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete as per nominator or Redirect as per NorthAmerica (below).--Tomwsulcer (talk) 17:30, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of North Dakota-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 06:44, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. North America1000 17:08, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fashion-related deletion discussions. North America1000 17:08, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Redirect to Miss North Dakota USA as a valid search term, and the subject is mentioned there. North America1000 17:11, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:BIO1E; not independently notable. Delete option may be preferred vs redirect to avoid an article re-creation. K.e.coffman (talk) 04:02, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep for now. Discussion about notability guidelines has already started on the Talk page for the Beauty Pageant project.  No harm will be done by closing this nomination as "keep" and letting the project-level discussion take its course.  NewYorkActuary (talk) 04:06, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Sam Sailor 22:54, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment: The discussion on pageant winners' notability is taking place here: RFC on creation of consensus standard, with participants variously advocating that (1) state level winners are not presumed notable, (2) state-level winners are not presumed non-notable; or (3) a special guideline is unnecessary, and that GNG should be used. There's an overlap between the these three positions. There aren't really voices for "state-level winners are always presumed notable" so I don't think the outcome of the discussion, if any, would have an impact on this AfD, which is trying to establish whether the subject meets GNG. Thus it may not make sense to suspend the AfD process for this nomination. K.e.coffman (talk) 03:40, 21 August 2016 (UTC)


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