Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Christ Church Shelton and Oxon


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The result was keep per the discussion here and at Talk:Christ Church Shelton and Oxon. The claims of notability are significant and verifiable by reliable sources. A move is also possible. Bearian (talk) 22:51, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Christ Church Shelton and Oxon

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Non-notable church. No claims to notability in article, and no Internet accessible coverage found. Liv it ⇑ Eh?/What? 20:59, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 00:32, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
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 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Architecture-related deletion discussions. 202.124.73.239 (talk) 14:01, 16 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment We should check to see if it's a listed building — while the article doesn't say anything about that status (and I can't remember how to find our lists of listed buildings), it's old enough to have that status, and being a listed building is a substantial step toward notability. Nyttend (talk) 01:29, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete Neutral. I have searched the listed buildings database for this church and cannot find it. Appears therefore to be non-notable architecturally and historically. -- Necrothesp (talk) 02:07, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes it is heritage listed - here it is -- 202.124.73.239 (talk) 12:54, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Strange. I have no idea why it didn't come up on my search. I therefore change my opinion to neutral. Not an old church by British standards and only Grade II listed. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:44, 16 February 2012 (UTC)


 *  Weak keep. If the church was indeed "built to be a place of safety for those affected by flooding in the area" then there will be 150 years worth of offline news coverage. Searching is extremely difficult, however, since Pevsner's The Buildings Of England lists the building as "Christ Church, Oxon," which is also the name of a famous Oxford College ("Oxford" is abbreviated "Oxon"). I'm inclined to give the church the benefit of the doubt based on its age. -- 202.124.75.220 (talk) 03:46, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment - Additional sources can be found by phrasing the search correctly (some are now in the article), and there must be masses of offline sources, given the age of the church. -- 202.124.73.55 (talk) 12:18, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Note to closing admin: some !votes appear to have been placed at Talk:Christ Church Shelton and Oxon. -- 202.124.73.239 (talk) 12:30, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Another comment I'm not familiar with Pevsner, so I'm curious — how comprehensive is his coverage of this specific church? I'm loth to say keep based on the listed status alone (I don't know how much documentation is required for a Grade II listed building), but there's definitely enough information in the "here it is" link to qualify this article for keeping if we can find just one more source with substantial coverage.  Nyttend (talk) 17:45, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Four lines. Qwfp (talk) 19:05, 16 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Merge to Shelton, Shropshire in line with Places of local interest: "If some source material is available, but is insufficient for a comprehensive article, it is better to mention the subject under the article for its parent locality". Qwfp (talk) 20:29, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment. A merge to Shelton, Shropshire is a poor idea, since the church is actually in Bicton Heath (it serves Shelton, but isn't in Shelton). The present article covers both the church building and the parish, which is really the relevant locality. -- 202.124.72.69 (talk) 01:38, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep, because Grade II listing and the mention in Pevenser indicates that it is a significant buiding. If kept, Rename to Christ Church, Shelton and Oxon - correct puctuation.  Peterkingiron (talk) 23:09, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep: both Grade II listed churches & those noticed by Pevsner have enough notability (Nikolaus Pevsner only included notices of churches of some interest architectually).--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 21:26, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I would take issue with this. There are nearly 400,000 Grade II listed buildings in England. Are they really all notable? And Pevsner tended to mention all churches built before the 20th century, despite dismissing many of them (often wrongly, in my opinion) as being of no architectural merit. I'm not saying this church isn't notable, but I don't think being Grade II or being mentioned by Pevsner is enough. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:13, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
 * yes, and yes. The principle involved is NOT PAPER.  DGG ( talk ) 04:44, 23 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep On the basis of the Heritage listing, which is always fully sufficient for notability (Pevsner ditto)  DGG ( talk ) 04:43, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
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