Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Christian City Church Watson


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The result was Delete -- JForget  23:24, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Christian City Church Watson

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Non-notable Australian church; the article reads more like an advertisement than an encyclopedia article. Ecoleetage (talk) 12:28, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. TheCatalyst31 Reaction•Creation 18:49, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions.   --  Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  22:58, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions.   --  Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  22:59, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Notability not asserted or demonstrated. Murtoa (talk) 23:54, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete run of the mill church, borderline A7 but I don't know whether churches are eligible. TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 01:56, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Not notable per above. Culturalrevival (talk) 16:09, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep This church is in fact part of a movement which is becoming highly popular, Christian City Churches led by Pastor Phil Pringle, Pastor of the seventh largest church in Australia (Christian City Church, Oxford Falls). Here is an example from another article "...the worldwide average church attendance of all churches which at last report was 35." And when calculated against this church, it's weekly attendance is over 500% higher than that of other churches worldwide. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drizzt Jamo (talk • contribs)
 * Comment Its relationship with Christian City Churches is irrelevant to the notability of this particular congregation, as is Christian City Church, Oxford Falls, which has attendance of 4,000 - some 2000% higher than Watson. Murtoa (talk) 07:01, 24 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep This is one of the most notable churches in Canberra for attendence (Canberra is a small city, with the largest churches being about 400-500 in attendence each week. This church sees about 200 people each week), and the goals of the church will see it rise to that number and higher in the coming years. The senior Pastor, Melanie Marshall, is also known around Australia as she speaks at other churches and Womens' Conference's each year. Also, as stated above the average church attendence worldwide is about 35 people, and obviously this church sees many more than that, making it a notable church, especially in Canberra. In reference to the comment about it reading more like an advertisement rather than an article, i would be happy to refine the article to make it more informational. It was not my intent to make it seem like an advertisement. EDIT: Another alternative would be to write an article to do with all 3 of the Christian City Churches within the ACT and merge this article into it. The notability of the CCC movement in Australia is rather large, considering that the movement has planted over 500 churches worldwide, and aims for up to 1000, with 500 members in attendence each, most of these churches within Australia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Magistrate Tyraan (talk • contribs) 11:51, 22 June 2008 (UTC)  — Magistrate Tyraan (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Comment Weekly attendance of 200 is not in itself notable. What would assist would be sufficient independent verifiable sources demonstrating the notability of this particular church, which I doubt would be in existence.  I don't see the point in having a separate article on the ACT instances of Christian City Churches as I doubt there would be anything inherently different about those particular churches compared with the rest of Australia.  Murtoa (talk) 06:54, 23 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete - based on lack of any assertion of notability, although no objections to recreation if notability can be established. But the only source cited appears to be the church's own web page, which isn't anywhere near enough to establish notability. John Carter (talk) 20:43, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete We have policies like WP:N to keep articles like this from appearing on wikipedia for extended periods of time. Five Years 06:06, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Membership of a group does not necessarily confer notability. Orderinchaos 16:48, 24 June 2008 (UTC)


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