Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Christian Maramatanga Society


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Courcelles 04:05, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Christian Maramatanga Society

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I don't think this church has much notability. It appears to be an insignificant split from the Rātana movement D O N D E groovily   Talk to me  02:54, 16 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete Two books reference it. No news results or other coverage, definitely appears insignificant MadCow257 (talk) 03:28, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions.  —Tom Morris (talk) 07:51, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of New Zealand-related deletion discussions.  —Tom Morris (talk) 07:51, 16 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep - the Dictionary of New Zealand Biography has an article on the founder Ngapiki Hakaraia. I think any article appearing there is considered a notable topic by Wikiproject New Zealand. Apart from the book referenced in the article, there's also coverage in Ratana revisited: an unfinished legacy by Keith Newman, 2006, and in Maori times, Maori places: prophetic histories by Karen Sinclair 2003. Prophetic histories:the people of the Māramatanga also by Karen Sinclair 2002 may be the same book as above. There appears to be some coverage in Asia Pacific viewpoint, Volume 45, p 289, 2004. A Reflection on the relationship between the Māramatanga Movement and the Catholic Faith by P J Cullinane, 2004, appears highly relevant too. There may be a case for renaming to Ngapiki Hakaraia or to Te Maramatanga Christian Society.- gadfium  09:13, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Do you have any comments on the merge suggested on that page? D O N D E groovily   Talk to me  12:10, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Should this AfD close other than as Keep or Rename, the merger would be preferable to deletion.- gadfium 20:45, 16 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep - I believe that this topic is notable and the references are likely to be found. http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/ and http://www.nzdl.org/cgi-bin/library.cgi?a=p&p=about&c=niupepa seem like a good places to start for coverage. Disclaimer: I'm an active member of Wikiproject New Zealand and have edited the closely-related Rātana pages. Stuartyeates (talk) 21:11, 16 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep - notable, but development of the article would be admirable. Moriori (talk) 22:04, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep, or at the very least merge per previous comments. Grutness...wha?  01:03, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep Given the NZ NB article, there's enough material to write a separate article about her. A merger can be subsequently discussed.  DGG ( talk ) 04:47, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
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