Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Christian Stauffer


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Per Daniel, looks like the discussion has run out of steam. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  13:42, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

Christian Stauffer

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An individual with no evidence of any notability. All the refs are blogs, personal websites or family trees published on genealogy web-sites. There is no assertion of notability and any claims that are made are modified by terms such as "...may have been..." and "is connected to family members that eventually headed to the United States". No claim to notability, no evidence of notability, searches reveal no hidden notability. Fails WP:GNG  Velella  Velella Talk 18:58, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions.  Velella  Velella Talk 18:58, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions.  Velella  Velella Talk 18:58, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Switzerland-related deletion discussions.  Velella  Velella Talk 18:58, 4 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete when one of the biggest points in a biography is framed as the person "may" have been involved, and the main selling point is an descendant about 200 years later was involved in founding a community, we have nothing to show notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:31, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete- Wikipedia is not genealogy, and there is zero coverage in reliable sources. The descendant (whose article was created by the same user) doesn't look too notable either, and in any event notability doesn't pass in the bloodstream. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 06:58, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment -- If true, this man just might be notable, but we would need reliable sources for this, not mere genealogy sites. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:27, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:MILL - lots of Europeans of his time can trace their descent to prominent North Americans. Think of all the Logans and Lohans. Bearian (talk) 01:26, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep meets GNG: source 1, source 2, source 3. Also, per this source, he was a bishop, WP:NBISHOP states that bishops are kept.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 04:28, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep - per Epiphyllumlover, appears to meet GNG, if only barely. Not all of the sources refer to this Christian Stauffer, but the ones that do appear sufficient. (NBISHOP, which is only an essay anyway, doesn't apply to non-Catholics like Stauffer.) Extraordinary Writ (talk) 04:58, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment Because Wikipedia should not discriminate between different Christian denominations, NBISHOP ought to be applied to non-Catholics.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 01:06, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
 * The term "bishop" has very different meanings across denominations and as such should not confer blanket notability without a specific determination of its context. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 06:06, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep as according to the book sources he was a leader in the local movement, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 00:21, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep, for the reasons of those who want this article kept. Davidgoodheart (talk) 12:22, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   16:28, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment: I'm currently sceptical. If this guy had been a leader of any significance even in a local revolt he'd be mentioned in the quite comprehensive Historical Dictionary of Switzerland, but he isn't. The sources in the article appear quite useless genealogy-type and SPS stuff, and all but the first of Epiphyllumlover's Google Books links don't work for me; in the first he is briefly mentioned as a leader of a local revolt (of which there were many in that time and place, the Republic of Bern being quite brutal in its approach to local government and religious nonconformity).  Sandstein   16:37, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
 * You can search --- "Christian Stauffer" Anabaptist --- on Google books if my links don't work.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 06:02, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Not persuaded by the keep arguments when I view the article, but currently not persuaded by the delete arguments either. Heading towards a no consensus close but giving it another 7 days of air to see if further eyes can push this one way or the other.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 14:21, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment: I'm a descendant of Christian Stauffer. The book The Stauffer Families of Switzerland, Germany, and America (including Stover and Stauffer) by Richard Warren Davis speaks of Christian Stauffer Anabaptist (Mennonite faith). Due to religious beliefs, he would not take the oath of allegiance to the Swiss government, nor bear arms in the army. Considering the number of wars going on in Europe at that time, this was of great concern to the Swiss government. In 1644, Christian Stauffer of Eggiwil, the youngest son of the Hans Stauffer of Rothenbach was a preacher of the Anabaptists and was tracked down and thrown into prison at Thun. More information can be found at http://family.beacondeacon.com/stauffer.htm I don't know if this is enough for you to make a decision on maintaining this page. Canastota (talk) 05:49, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment - no doubt of considerable interest to the family and in the locality, but it doesn't add anything to notability as defined by Wikipedia. The source would not pass muster as an independent and reliable source  Velella  Velella Talk 14:15, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment, because Wikipedia policies, they can't use your link to support keeping the article. They need something that has been published by a third party, that is, someone who was not a family member, and is not self-publishing their own work. If you have any newspaper articles or history books discussing your ancestor, you could quote them and cite them here. They don't have to be online. For an example of the sort of sources to look for, see the three links I posted above. (Those three sources should be good enough as is to keep the article; yet it is good to have more since any evaluation of them will be inherently subjective. If for some legitimate reason (or even illegitimate pretext) they are thrown out, others can fill the void.)--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 01:14, 23 January 2021 (UTC)


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