Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Christian mysticism, Theosophy and Freemasonary


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:52, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Christian mysticism, Theosophy and Freemasonary

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Contested prod. Clearly original research dealing with the author's synthesis of how four vaguely similar kinds of Christian mysticism are all inter-related, with the obligatory nod at the Greeks, Chaldeans and Yogis. The Jesuits get a look in too. andy (talk) 16:10, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Spirituality-related deletion discussions.  -- Fæ (talk) 16:21, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete I previously suggested a merge on the article talk page to Theosophy, however I am uncertain if there truely is any content here that would benefit that article. This is a user essay failing WP:SYNTH. Fæ (talk) 16:23, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, I considered a merge but couldn't see any worthwhile way of doing it. The material is too contaminated with POV. andy (talk) 16:41, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete as yet another attempt by this author to push his own POV by synthesizing new conclusions from disparate sources. (See WP:Articles for deletion/Differences between Christian mysticism and Evangelical mysticism.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 22:54, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment. Not just a personal POV. See: Ancient roots Some modern scholars believe that in the early stages of Christianity a nucleus of oral teachings were inherited from Palestinian and Hellenistic Judaism which formed the basis of a secret oral tradition, which in the 4th century came to be called the disciplina arcani. [Frommann, "De Disciplina Arcani in vetere Ecclesia christiana obticuisse fertur", Jena 1833.] G.G. Stroumsa, "Hidden Wisdom: Esoteric Traditions and the Roots of Christian Mysticism", 2005.] [E. Hatch, "The Influence of Greek Ideas and Usages upon the Christian Church", London, 1890, Chapter 10.] Important influences on Esoteric Christianity are the Christian theologians Clement of Alexandria and Origen, the main figures of the Catechetical School of Alexandria. [Jean Danielou, "Origen", translated by Walter Mitchell, 1955.] Early modern esotericism: In the later Middle Ages forms of Western esotericism, for example alchemy and astrology, were constructed on Christian foundations, combining Christian theology and doctrines with esoteric concepts. [Antoine Faivre, "L'ésotérisme", Paris, PUF (« Que sais-je?»), 1992.] In the 17th century this was followed up by the development of Theosophy and Rosicrucianism. [Weber, Charles, " Rosicrucianism and Christianity " in Rays from the Rose Cross, 1995] The Behmenist movements also developed around this time. In the 18th century, Freemasonry came about."" Directly as per encyclopedian article : http://en.academic.ru/dic.nsf/enwiki/1008906 —Preceding unsigned comment added by WalkingInTheLight2 (talk • contribs) 04:57, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
 * You appear to be summarizing your hypothesis supported by a synthesis of sources rather than putting forward a reason to keep. If you wish to make a point, brevity and pithy tends to work best in AFDs as few people will spend time working through complex arguments. Thanks, Fæ (talk) 09:53, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Note that the "encyclopedian article" there is just our Esoteric Christianity article. Uncle G (talk) 20:39, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete as per Fæ. Edward321 (talk) 13:40, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep as there are reliable sources that has shown the link between the 3 seperate movements. It is thus not original research. I adjusted the article to make this point clearer. Apart from this, the article has value to those involved in Christian mysticism, and unaware of its relationship with Theosophy and Freemasonary. —Preceding unsigned comment added by WalkingInTheLight2 (talk • contribs) 14:00, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.