Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Christina Keegan


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The result was delete. -- RoySmith (talk) 15:01, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Christina Keegan

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Keegan was Miss Nevada. This alone is not enough to establish notability. Of the listed sources, one shows up as listed as a blog when you look at it, even though it is a newspaper related blog. There is just not sustained coverage. If we had any coverage outside of Nevada I might think she crossed some notability line, but it does not appear so. My search for more sources came up with routine non-reliable coverage but nothing substantial. John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:45, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Question per WP:BIO, "The person has received a well-known and significant award or honor, or has been nominated for one several times." qualifies as inherent notability. Ms. Keegan won Miss Nevada, which is part of the Miss America pageant. Would we count Miss Insert State Here as a well-known and significant award? --Mr. Vernon (talk) 05:49, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Miss Insert State here is not a notable award. There has been a huge number of discussions over the last six months that establish this Articles for deletion/Ashlee Baracy (2nd nomination), Articles for deletion/Abby Hancock, Articles for deletion/Amy Crain, Articles for deletion/Ashley Halfman, Articles for deletion/Beth Stomps, Articles for deletion/Dellynne Catching are just a few. That is not delving into the very closely related Miss instert state USA winners, who even more articles on have been deleted.John Pack Lambert (talk) 06:31, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete in that case. Gnews is turning up nothing but mentions to past winners of the content. --Mr. Vernon (talk) 06:33, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep I agree that were she merely the annual title holder this would not establish outstanding notability. However, the additional coverage (indeed mostly local) of using her position as an advocacy for rape victims has gained independent coverage (which, according to my google search, continued years beyond the single year she was the title holder) makes her something other than a run of the mill beauty contest winner. ShelbyMarion (talk) 14:37, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment This discussion was originally closed as no consensus because there is a lack of Wikipedia consensus on the matter on December 6th, after I presented some issues to the closer, and another editor argued that these should be considered on a case by case basis, the administrator who closed gave permission to reopen this discussion. I primarily state this so the time frame when this discussion has actually been open can be clearly seen. It was closed from early December 6th (about 7 GMT) to about 16 GMT on December 9th.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:07, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Beauty pageants-related deletion discussions.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:09, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 13:57, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Nevada-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 13:57, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, st170e talk 01:38, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete -- nothing stands out about this state-level winner. K.e.coffman (talk) 08:19, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - Being a beauty pageant winner is not enough in itself to prove notability.-- CaroleHenson (talk) 03:14, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete as no actual notability or substance apart from the mere participating. SwisterTwister   talk  23:07, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep "Miss Nevada" is a well-known award that follows the careers of the winners throughout their life.  To satisfy ANYBIO#1, the award must also be significant, which I think is shown by the long-lived attention given to those who have achieved the award.  Evidence that "Miss Nevada" is known world-wide is provided by a Google news search on ["Miss Nevada" -site:.com -site:.org -site:.edu] which shows great interest in the UK when a Miss Nevaada is arrested on drug charges, and what should not be surprising international attention for Miss Nevada when Miss Nevada wins the Miss America crown.  In any case, Wikipedia wants to cover all entrants to the Miss America pageant, so WP:DEL8 is not an argument for deletion.  The means that the remedy for non-notability is for the editors who think this is the case to do the work to merge the content to articles such as Miss Nevada.  Unscintillating (talk) 00:45, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
 * No, only Miss America is a well known award that follows the winners. I have found Linkedin entries for winners of state competitions of Miss x state and Miss x state USA that fail to mention they won that award. Winning Miss America follows the winner, winning the state award does not, and creates zero coverage for the person once they no longer have the title. Unscintillating's claims about the prestige of these awards are just plain false.John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:52, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I provided evidence that "Miss Nevada" is known world wide, and showed how to reproduce the search. You can't just say that this evidence is "plain false" without any explanation and still have a reasonable argument.  If you've found winners who don't want the attention, this doesn't mean that the public doesn't recognize the award when told. And the point always goes back to the fact that notability is not a key factor here as it does not equate to a WP:DEL8 argument.  The key factor is who is willing to do the work to build the encyclopedia.  When have you ever merged one of these topics due to your concern of a lack of notability?  When have you merged one of the first or second Seventy (LDS Church)?  Unscintillating (talk) 03:17, 22 December 2016 (UTC)


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