Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Christman Gniperdoliga


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. WP:V is a non-negotiable core policy, and the only source even mentioning this alleged super-mass murderer is a self-published book, which fails WP:RS big time.  Sandstein  20:48, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Christman Gniperdoliga

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No evidence, no reliable source. There seems to be no historial evidence. The only reference given is the fictional Christman Gniperdoliga - Der tausendfache Raubmörder by Kirchschlager (which is a self-published source and therefore hardly reliable), which has no historical references. Other sources only cite this Kirchschlager. So the historical reality of Gniperdoliga is not evident. To me, it all seems a scary lie –- a hoax with no reliable sources. Therefore this articel should be deleted. --mmg (talk) 09:31, 11 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep (Well I would say that as the articles (re) creator).
 * The source of Christman Gniperdoliga - Der tausendfache Raubmörder is the book Historische Serienmörder (same author), which according to the publisher here, "Es versteht sich als Sachbuch, nicht als Fachbuch. It sees itself as a non-fiction, not as a textbook." google books lists the book as both fiction and true crime.
 * As well as Christman, the book deals with more well known serial killers including Elizabeth Báthory, Luis Garavito, Gilles de Rais and the Burke and Hare murders. The book also claims to deal with lesser known serial killers that were found through researching criminal histories. The account of Christman is based upon a tale told in a region of what is now Germany. The book seems to have been written in good faith, and the section on Christman based upon the tale. The question is whether that tale is true.
 * Note I do not speak German, and have used google translate to read the German, I have not read the book. Martin 4 5 1  (talk) 23:14, 11 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions.  -- Martin 4 5 1  (talk) 00:11, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions.  -- Martin 4 5 1  (talk) 00:12, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JForget  22:47, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Keep -- assuming this article is verifiable, the subject is certainly notable as a serial murderer on a massive scale. Peterkingiron (talk) 21:07, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. To me, the question is not whether the tale is true or not, but rather is it verifiably notable. I would think notable folklore would be mentioned in more than just one or two self-published books. Location (talk) 17:34, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete unless it can be verified and determined notable through multiple, independent reliable sources. Lara  16:54, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Useify If the article is deleted, could it be userfied? Martin 4 5 1  (talk) 23:26, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.