Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Christopher Adler


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Thanks everyone who participated. Please keep all responses to closure civil. If you wish to contest the results, please consider improving the article before renominating. Missvain (talk) 23:55, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

Christopher Adler

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Delete, fails WP:NMUSIC and WP:ANYBIO. Chris Troutman ( talk ) 20:08, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 20:35, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 20:35, 8 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment This article was created earlier today by a student editor who seems to have been working on it in their user space since 27 May. It seems premature and WP:BITEy to bring it to AfD rather than tag for notability etc. Pam  D  23:02, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I agree, Pam. This should never have been sent to AfD so fast, especially given the newbie-ness of its creator. But never mind. Could you, kosboot, and Boleyn take a look at the article, now that I have added more material and references, and let me know what you think? Voceditenore (talk) 14:18, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I am dismayed by your response. WP:NPP's job is to scan through new content. It does not discriminate between articles made 10 seconds ago and articles made 10 days ago. It does not account for who the editor was nor does it operate by malice. The Page Curation tool includes buttons for deletion precisely because it anticipates material that meets deletion criteria. To accuse me of being BITEy is unwelcome. I was pitching in with NPP and the least you can do is AGF. If you like, tell me I should have searched more deeply per WP:BEFORE. Perhaps you ought to instead visit NPP and take up the issue there. Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 21:31, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
 * To support Chris Troutman, indeed I know someone who's been active in WP for over 10 years and is currently serving on ArbCom. His observation is that about 50% of new articles are deleted right away (i.e. within 24 hours) because they're misusing WP as a publicity machine rather than an encyclopedia. I believe that's what this minor composer was doing although others seem to be running to his dubious rescue. - kosboot (talk) 22:06, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Kos, not that it makes any difference as to whether this article should be kept, but this was not an exercise in self-publicity. It was created by a student at the University of Washington fulfilling an assignment in a course entitled "Listening Outside the Box-Concert Music in the 21st Century". Had it been an autobiography, I probably wouldn't have put the effort into rescuing it. Voceditenore (talk) 05:17, 11 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep: now appears to be thoroughly notable.
 * It's not clear to me whether the original editor was doing this as a student assignment, but if so I hope the instructor has the wit to realise how much of the credit for the current state of the article is nothing to do with that student editor, who had merely listed a few refs at the end and made no serious attempt at formatting, referencing the content or wikilinking etc! Congratulations to Voceditenore and others who have upgraded this article in the past couple of days. Pam  D  17:51, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Just pinging the instructor on the course on which the creating editor is enrolled, to draw their attention to this discussion. Pam  D  17:54, 9 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete - agree with Chris Troutman. Not much evidence of notability beyond his campus. - kosboot (talk) 01:29, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment Not commenting on notability, but think as this was created less than a day before AfD, we need to make an extra effort to look for sources. At the very least, this should be reverted to the redirect it was created as, to Chris Adler. Boleyn (talk) 07:24, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep. I've seen on WP plenty of articles on characters of far less 'notability'. He's had performances in a number of leading venues, and a number of his pieces have been recorded. OK the article could do with some beefing up but that's not a reason to delete.--Smerus (talk) 12:08, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
 * , WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS isn't a valid argument in an AfD. The most applicable guidelines for Adler would be WP:PROF, WP:ENT, WP:MUSICBIO and WP:GNG. How do you feel he meets one of them? Best wishes, Boleyn (talk) 12:16, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
 * , WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is an opinion, not an official guideline. I give my opinions above - he's had performances, he's had recordings. Per contra (to look at the criteria submitted by the nominator), I think only a minute percentage of biographies on WP would meet the absurd standards of WP:ANYBIO. (I've edited articles accepted for GA that don't get there!) As regards WP:NMUSIC - WP:COMPOSER includes (in subsection 'Others' - "Composers and performers outside mass media traditions") a number of criteria that would seem to me to apply here, and which are sourced in the lead para of the article. That's my opinion - sorry if you don't like it, but I maintain my 'keep' position. Smerus (talk) 12:32, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep. I've just re-written and referenced this. (I think this revised version is the one Smerus was talking about.) It still needs work—I put a lot of his stuff in the lead from which it should be moved eventually. Anyhow, his compositions have been broadcast both in the US and the UK (all referenced); one of his commissions was from Carnegie Hall for the Silk Road Project (referenced); another for the MATA Festival (with a glowing review in the New York Times ); his compositions appear on recordings by two notable labels (for the genre); described as a "virtuoso khaen player" and composer for the instrument in that instrument's entry in Continuum Encyclopedia of Popular Music of the World ; discussion of one of his piano works in an Italian book Musica per pianoforte negli Stati Uniti: Autori, opere, storia ; plus a feature on him in the San Diego Tribune . He passes several of the criteria at WP:MUSICBIO and arguably WP:GNG as well. Voceditenore (talk) 14:11, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep: Although many of the references make just a passing mention of Adler, they build a picture of a composer and performer whose works are notable. Crucially the two articles in the San Diego Union Tribune and the MIT alumni site go into sufficient depth to convince me that Adler as a person has come to the notice of third-party commentators - which is what we are looking for in judging notability. --RexxS (talk) 15:22, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep Although I've commented, I hadn't voted as unsure. Looking at improved article, I agree with Voceditenore's comments above. Boleyn (talk) 16:12, 9 June 2016 (UTC)


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