Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Christopher Allen (2nd nomination)


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The result was speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn. (non-admin closure) X4n6 (talk) 21:18, 21 March 2016 (UTC) AfDs for this article: 

Christopher Allen

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Second nomination after murky, non-admin, one-day close some years ago. A vanity article by a years inactive user who created several such articles for cricketers of varied notability. In this case, subject had a non-notable local club career and no significant coverage. Subject's lone List A appearance was at minor county/club level, not an ICC final, which fails WP:NCRICK, WP:CRIN and WP:GNG. X4n6 (talk) 08:59, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

Note: No known relevance to Christopher Allen Weller. That AfD history was auto-generated here. X4n6 (talk) 09:32, 21 March 2016 (UTC)


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 * Speedy keep, passes WP:CRIN per the List A appearance. I don't know what the "murky close" bit means; in any case, the previous AfD was for an article about a different person. StAnselm (talk) 09:57, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep. I think you've misinterpreted WP:CRIN a little bit (which isn't difficult to do if you're not familiar with how cricket games are classified). WP:CRIN states that players are article-worthy who have appeared in "at least one cricket match […] played at the highest international or domestic level". The 1983 NatWest Trophy, which Allen played in, was the highest level of limited-overs cricket in England for that year.  IgnorantArmies  (talk)  10:04, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Response: WP:CRIN requires: a match "played at the highest international or domestic level." The one first-class match was in county cricket play in a minor county championship, which, if that article is correct, is for clubs that do not have first-class status. So I believe it isn't included in CRIN which only references "major" matches. But it really is clear as mud, having nothing to do with cricket and everything to do with the explanation. But here's that match. Allen played for Dorset, which was one of 13 minor county teams who were allowed to play against the 17 first-class counties in the 1983 NatWest Trophy tournament that year. So does everyone who played that day, on any team, qualify for an article here?


 * As for the "murky close," as already noted, it references the prior Afd for this subject: which was non-admin closed after just one day. It has nothing whatsoever to do with Christopher Allen Weller. In any event, CRIN is an admittedly generous standard as compared to other sports. But if I've missed something, let me know. I will say the user who created this page, listed several which may have notability issues. Have a look and let me know if you agree. X4n6 (talk) 11:18, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Just to try and clarify a little bit more, first-class cricket and List A cricket aren't measures of the quality of a team, they're actually different forms of the sport, with different rules – the main difference is that first-class matches are played over multiple days, whereas List A (or limited overs) matches are played in only one day. There is also a third form, Twenty20, which is played over a few hours. So a match (e.g. in the Indian Premier League) can be played at a very high standard and feature a large number of international players without it being called "first-class". CRIN is a bit poorly written, but WikiProject Cricket considers all players who have played in a first-class, List A, or Twenty20 competition to be notable. So, yeah, everyone who played in the 1983 NatWest Trophy is considered notable for Wikipedia purposes, and I would imagine that most of those players already have articles.  IgnorantArmies  (talk)  12:53, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
 * The high standard of the match that Allen played in is also demonstrated by the fact that five of his opponents – Graham Gooch, Keith Fletcher, Derek Pringle, Neil Foster, and John Lever – were international players. (Gooch, Pringle, Foster, and Lever were in the middle of their international careers, while Fletcher had recently retired).  IgnorantArmies  (talk)  12:55, 21 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep He is notable and qualifies the standard qualification of WP:CRIC  GreenCricket  (talk)  19:02, 21 March 2016 (UTC)


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