Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Christopher Blair


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   redirect to List_of_Wing_Commander_characters.  MBisanz  talk 01:21, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Christopher Blair

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This character does not establish notability independent of its series. Without coverage in reliable third party sources, it is just made up of unnecessary plot summary and original research. TTN (talk) 20:35, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep While the article need improvement this is the central character in multiple computer games, novels, a movie, and a TV series. Edward321 (talk) 01:38, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. No coverage by third party sources.  We do not allow original research.  JBsupreme (talk) 02:39, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Blurb and redirect into List of Wing Commander characters along with Ralgha nar Hhallas; delete Category:Wing Commander characters. --EEMIV (talk) 02:42, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep, pretty much per Edward321 (major character of some very well known computer games, at least two novels, and one movie), but since the nominator wants third party sources, let's start with this New York Times review of the movie, which has some non-trivial paragraphs about Blair's role in the movie, as well as a subplot. Blair's role in the WC3 game is covered independently in this article. That's two sources already from a Google search. I am left thinking that there are more sources, but since the games are old, they are probably archived and difficult to find with so many fan pages lying around. Sjakkalle (Check!)  09:19, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Another point, TTN's assertion that "it is just made up of unnecessary plot summary and original research" belies the facts. The article has the lines "In the computer games Wing Commander III: Heart of the Tiger, Wing Commander IV: The Price of Freedom, Wing Commander: Prophecy, and animated television series Wing Commander Academy, Blair was played and voiced by veteran actor and Star Wars star Mark Hamill." and "In the 1999 movie Wing Commander (film), Christopher Blair is played by Freddie Prinze, Jr..". This is neither "plot summary", nor "original research". Sjakkalle (Check!)  09:39, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Both of the links you provided establish third-party coverage of WC3 and the movie, but not of the character itself. --EEMIV (talk) 10:41, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The NYT reference most certainly discusses the plot, and Blair's involvement in it. The BusinessWire source also explains Blair's involvement in the WC3 plot. "Non-trivial coverage" means that the source should do more than just give a mere passing mention, but it does not mean that the subject needs to be the main or only focus of the source. Sjakkalle (Check!)  10:46, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Sort of depends on Wikipedian consensus though. More importantly, I cannot seem to access the article but get prompted to register for NYTimes.com instead. So I have to take your word for it that the character is not merely mentioned in passing. Consider that in the absence of other sources, the value of this source hinges solely on what material can be backed up with it. Everyme 11:40, 14 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete. Nothing speaks against recreating the article iff reliable, third party sources can be found and included to verify notability independent from the parent topic and back up at least the basics of content (references for anything that can be backed up with primary sources would be nice, not to mention policy-conforming as well). Failing that, the page should be redirected to List of Wing Commander characters. At the very least, stubbify the current "article" to its verifiable core (if any). Everyme 11:28, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional characters-related deletion discussions.   --  Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  15:03, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete; as this article solely consists of unreferenced plot and trivia, containing no evidence of having received significant coverage in reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject. —   pd_THOR  undefined | 17:15, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Lankiveil (speak to me) 02:30, 18 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete, I'm not certain that a paragraph or two in a review describing the character's actions in a fictional work is enough to establish notability. Lankiveil (speak to me) 02:33, 18 October 2008 (UTC).
 * Merge to the list. This character is "Bluehair" (developer name) or "PCNAME" (ingame default name) 70.55.200.131 (talk) 04:15, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge a summary to List_of_Wing_Commander_characters and delete article. VG &#x260E; 07:49, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep Evidently notable. Colonel Warden (talk) 08:33, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Of what evidence are you referring to with regards to the concerns raised here? —   pd_THOR  undefined | 16:19, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete as original research, etc etc but after that create a redirect as it's a plausible search item. Delete the Wing Commander characters category. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:37, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep clear notability from the reviews. the listing of the character in the review would be trivial and nonsubstantial and not evidence for notability; the discussion of it is clear evidence. Reasonable too that a principle character in multiple works should be so discussed. Various attempts to say that the source must be primarily about the subject of the article have been consistently defeated in various places here. And Magioladitis, category deletions are discussed elsewhere.  DGG (talk) 03:09, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I am not expecting this AfD to delete the category. I am just making a note so if the article is deleted to nominate the category as well. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:43, 20 October 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.