Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Christopher Leadem (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Lankiveil (speak to me) 03:39, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Christopher Leadem
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Non-notable author; all his works appear to have been self-published. Reads like self-promotion. Cue the Strings (talk) 04:58, 15 December 2008 (UTC) Save I am Edwyn Thai, Professor of English Literature at Hong Kong International University. I teach Leadem's "Highland Ballad" as an example of Western Romanticism of Historical Events. I fail to see the fault in making his literature available free and worldwide. This somehow lessens its value? All the same criticisms above were made of Wikipedia in its infancy: unprofessional, non-notable, undocumented information. Does that mean it too should have been deleted. The point of this site is education. I am an educator. You're going to have to do better than unfounded attacks to stop the information. The question for me is, Why do you try? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.119.232.100 (talk) 13:59, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - I added the AfD notification to the article.  Grsz  11  05:19, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete unless reliable sources can be presented to establish notability.  Grsz  11  05:19, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete NN, Google only gives 812 matches for "Christopher Leadem" ILovePlankton (talk) 05:29, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per notability guidelines. ChildofMidnight (talk) 07:00, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
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 * Delete--completely self-published, never received significant coverage. Drmies (talk) 06:56, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete probably created by the subject himself, I wouldn't doubt it for a second if this was a vanity page JBsupreme (talk) 07:07, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Save- Notability, documentation: , hundreds of entries, hundreds of sites, multiple biographies, total hits close to 250,000, not self-published only, but by the prestigious, multi-University Project Gutenberg, the world's largest online library, copied from them by hundreds of sites.  Enter "Christopher Leadem" on any major search engine, and forgive small minds who cannot see the future of publishing.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.161.211.200 (talk) 03:12, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * LOL, WHO ARE YOU? JBsupreme (talk) 03:49, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Interesting. I'm not turning up any such institution in my searches.  Can you provide us with a link? Oh, and this is interesting too:

jules@vengeance:~$ whois 162.119.232.100

OrgName:   Kaiser Permanente Medical Care Program OrgID:     KPMCP Address:   25 North Via Monte Address:   Network Design and Engineering City:      Walnut Creek StateProv: CA  PostalCode: 94598 Country:   US


 * I wonder what a Hong Kong-based professor is doing in Walnut Creek, CA. JulesH (talk) 20:01, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Writing sabatical, would you like a sample? No such link? Have you tried it? You never heard of Project Gutenberg, which you yourselves sight as a link. Do you know what makes me truly angry? All you have to say is negative, is he good enough to be let into our club. A Nobel Prize winner once described such a club in his high school. It's only activity? Sit around and decide who was as wonderful as themselves. Do the work, do the math, and stop with these mindless attacks. EDWYN THAI, HONG KONG INTERNATIONAL UNIVERSITY. ENTER MY NAME IN GOOGLE! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.119.232.100 (talk) 22:49, 18 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Who said they'd never heard of Project Gutenberg? I do note that Leadem's book is somewhat unusual for being a self-published work that PG has accepted for republication; they will usually only accept professionally published works.  Not being aware of the process that lead to their acceptance, however, I cannot be sure that this was not simply a mistake (i.e., they were perhaps unaware that the books' publisher was a self-publishing service).
 * As for looking up your identity, I can find nothing that satisfies me as to your identity. The reason I enquire, by the way, is that if you really _are_ who you say you are, and we can find a way of proving it, it might be enough to save the article.  One of the criteria we use to judge a book as notable is if it "is the subject of instruction at multiple [...] universities or post-graduate programs in any particular country." (WP:BK).  As the author of a notable book, Leadem's article may be more likely to be kept.  But first we have to show through real sources (not something randomly posted on a Wikipedia discussion page by somebody whose identity cannot be verified) that this is the case.
 * Now, if you really are who you say you are, there should be a page at your university's web site with some details about who you are and the courses you run. Ideally, this page would mention the books you use in your courses.  Please provide a link to this page, as it will help your cause. JulesH (talk) 13:07, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

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Hello. Christopher Leadem, the self-publishing, self-promoting, non-notable author in question. It's all bs and personal attacks, but so be it. And 'Vengeance' (this is who you listen to?) if you look up this computer you'll find it to be owned by the Arapahoe Library District, Greenwood Village, CO. I'm not sure what that makes me guilty of, but I'm sure you'll think of something.

First, I'd like to apologize to ET, for suffering the cross-examination of nerds. Were you sleeping when the People's Republic of China rolled their armored vehicles into Hong Kong? Are you unaware of the Chinese government's brutal suppression of the Internet? ET may be in Hong Kong, Taiwan, California (more on that in a minute), I don't care. He's standing up for what he believes in the face of potentially serious consequences. Would you do the same?

Second, if someone has in fact hacked into the Kaiser Permanente computer system, they'd better get out fast. A little thing called HIPPA, the Patient Privacy Act. It carries stiff penalties for such things.

Third, is this a serious encyclopedia, or a chat room? 'LOL'?

Delete the article as if it were untrue or irrelevant? It's documented information (view the links above), it brings people to the site, and is all of about a hundred words long. What's the down side?

Sincerely,

Christopher Leadem, Author, Human Being

PS- "Every new group or organization starts out asking for tolerance, then becomes itself intolerant." -Milton Goldstien

"100% of your ads have been negative." Barrack Obama

"...who vested with a moment's authority doth beat his breast like an ape and proclaim to the Heavens above, 'Here, see me!'" -William Shakespeare

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.93.226.126 (talk) 00:10, 19 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment Establishing notability with references to substantial coverage from reliable sources such as articles, books, or reputable websites would be more helpful than launching an attack filled diatribe. ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:14, 19 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Nobody has hacked into anything. whois is a freely available internet service that anybody can use to find out what organisation owns a particular internet address. JulesH (talk) 13:10, 19 December 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.