Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Christopher McCreery


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The result was delete. Stifle (talk) 09:38, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Christopher McCreery

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Résumé-like WP:BLP of a historian and writer, not reliably sourced as having any strong claim to passing WP:AUTHOR. The notability claim here is essentially that he exists as a person who has written stuff and been appointed to boards and committees, none of which is an automatic notability freebie in the absence of a WP:GNG-worthy volume of reliable source coverage in media about that work -- but literally across the board, every single footnote here is to content self-published by organizations he's been directly affiliated with, which are not notability-building sources. And even on a ProQuest search for older sourcing that might not have googled, I found stuff written by him (which does not help to establish notability), and I found stuff which namechecked his existence as a provider of soundbite in articles about governors-general or Order of Canada recipients (which does not help to establish notability) -- but in terms of the type of coverage that does help to establish notability, namely coverage in which he is the subject that other people are writing or talking about, I found virtually nothing but a couple of stray hits in his own hometown media, which is not enough. Nothing stated here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt him from having to be referenced considerably better than this. Bearcat (talk) 00:49, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Authors and Canada. Bearcat (talk) 00:49, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep They don't give you that many fellowships without something going on with your life. He's mentioned here in a discussion about his books: and, he's discussed in this journal article here and about 3 or 4 other journal discussions of his "hisorical interpretation" of things, his biography here:  and he was awarded the Order of Nova Scotia here: . Oaktree b (talk) 15:10, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * You've misinterpreted most of those sources.
 * He's the author of both of the books you linked, not a subject of discussion in books by other people, so they aren't support for his notability — you don't make a writer notable by sourcing his books to themselves as proof that they exist, you make a writer notable by sourcing his books to third party critical analysis of the books by other people and/or independent verification that he won or was nominated for major literary awards for them.
 * The "biography" is a staff profile on the self-published website of an organization he's directly affiliated with, and thus isn't support for his notability as it isn't independent coverage.
 * And he wasn't awarded the Order of Nova Scotia, he was a staffer in the administrative office of the Order of Nova Scotia, so that's also a staff directory rather than a notability-assisting source.
 * The journal article is fine, but one of those isn't enough to pass WP:GNG all by itself if all of the other sourcing is still primary — a person needs a lot more than just one piece of media coverage to get over the bar. Bearcat (talk) 21:33, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * His work is also discussed here:https://muse.jhu.edu/article/806484/summary, here: https://muse.jhu.edu/article/539895, here in a medical journal: https://www.cmaj.ca/content/179/10/1041.short, here: https://www.jstor.org/stable/23594711, "expert advisor" to the government here: https://go.gale.com/ps/i.do?id=GALE%7CA351947375&sid=googleScholar&v=2.1&it=r&linkaccess=abs&issn=00249262&p=AONE&sw=w&userGroupName=anon%7Ebef22580. with many more. He's cited here in a French article: . The medical journal in particular is a neutral review of one of his works on the St. John's Ambulance corps. He's more than notable. Oaktree b (talk) 23:23, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Being cited as a provider of soundbite in pieces where he is not himself the subject of the piece does not aid in establishing notability either, so most of those still don't cut it. Bearcat (talk) 01:42, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
 * This https://www.proquest.com/openview/081998d92bb83ebacdcc1fb4c19a550c/1?pq-origsite=gscholar&cbl=48438 discusses his work for a good 2-3 paragraphs and the CMAJ is a review of his book, those and the other "soundbites" as you call them add up to notability, do they not? For sure he's passed WP:AUTHOR criteria 3b with at least 2 critical reviews (the CMAJ and the proquest one I just showed for at least 3 paragraphs, the free view won't let me see more), and criteria 4 with more than enough recognition based on his body of work, with the ample amount of honorifics after his name as proof. Oaktree b (talk) 03:13, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Notability can only be established by sources in which he's the subject being discussed by other people, and never by sources in which he's a speaker discussing other things. And even for the few sources you've profferred that do meet that standard, it takes more than just two of those to pass it. Bearcat (talk) 14:22, 22 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete This person has one book that is held in more than 700 Worldcat libraries. Others are in the 2-digits. Other than that, based on Google Scholar he falls short of NPROF even though at least one book comes out of a university press. I don't think he will meet NAUTH because he writes on very narrow academic topics. I find articles BY him in Ebscohost, and the occasional book review (e.g. Treble, P 2011, ‘Canadian Symbols of Authority: Maces, Chains and Rods of Office’, Maclean’s, vol. 124, no. 36, p. 74). I think the best way to honor this person would be to use his works as references in articles about his topics, generally the history of Canada and the whole royal history. Note, also, that although he received various "Jubilee" medals, the one I looked up was given to 46,000 people. If someone versed in UK honors can show that he is significant, I would like to hear that. Lamona (talk) 16:55, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Agree. Nwhyte (talk) 09:28, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete - I have problems both with the depth of coverage - WP:SIGCOV - and the quality of the sources WP:RS. Bearian (talk) 19:11, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination, lack of secondary sources, WP:SIGCOV. Paradox  society  20:34, 29 May 2022 (UTC)


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