Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Christopher Moore (rapper)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Spartaz Humbug! 06:14, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Christopher Moore (rapper)

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A rapper. First album will be released in fall 2011. Has released only three singles. Believe this is a case of Too Soon. Bgwhite (talk) 08:10, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Delete - non-notable at present. Manning (talk) 12:02, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  — —Tom Morris (talk) 19:29, 15 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete - no coverage to establish ntoability; hasn't released an album yet. No prejudice to recreation in the future if he gets a notable career but at this point it isn't. -- Whpq (talk) 15:39, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Young Money Entertainment. The artist has released a few singles but he is not notable enough to have an article of his own. Just redirect him to the label is signed. -- Esa nchez (Talk 2 me or Sign here) 01:16, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete recreation of article deleted per Articles for deletion/Lil Twist. Editor also reverted the redirect on that article. noq (talk) 23:46, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. I don't think the previous commenters looked sufficiently into the sourcing issue, and/or are not as familiar with hip-hop--Moore probably actually meets the standards of the general notability guideline, or at the least he is close to doing so. First of all, Lil Twist is on a very "important" label, owned by the biggest star in hip-hop (whatever we might think about that it's just true). He guested on Lil Wayne's 2010 gold album I Am Not a Human Being and is slated to be on Wayne's forthcoming, and much hyped, Tha Carter IV.  He is pals with Justin Bieber, and has unsurprisingly been getting press over a collaboration they are working on.    Beyonce likes his mohawk  (you made it dude!), and he is currently on a tour presented by BET's 106 & Park, which is significant in the hip-hop world.  All of this stuff is being covered by music news outlets. Perhaps most importantly, he was one of XXL Magazine's 2011 Freshman Class, which means he was profiled by that magazine (see here). XXL is one of, if not the, most influential hip-hop magazines, and their "Freshman Class" issue is much watched in the hip-hop world. Simply being featured in that issue arguably pushes one into notability, but when you combine that with the fact that he is signed to Lil Wayne's label, has recorded with Wayne, and is going to release a single with Justin Bieber, I think this guy passes the notability bar (I'd never heard of him before really, but this ain't my kinda hip-hop). This article would need to be rewritten (it's a promo now) and really it should probably be called Lil Twist, but obviously that's not a reason to delete. If prior commenters wander back here I'd ask them to reconsider their position, and it might also be worth relisting this given that some additional info has come in late in the discussion. --Bigtimepeace | talk |  contribs 19:04, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment - I'm still on the deletion side. Being signed to a notable label does not establish notability.  I think there will be an article about him in the future, but I don't agree that the coverage now is sufficient to establish notability. -- Whpq (talk) 19:09, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, though just to be clear my argument was not that being on the label established notability, rather that that detail is relevant to the overall evaluation of how notable he is. Without the XXL piece I would probably be a weak delete, but that is very much a big deal in hip-hop music circles. I just checked out of curiosity and of the 10 other "freshmen," nine of them have Wikipedia articles, including some who also do not have an album and probably have less press than this fellow. I'm not making an "OTHERSTUFF" argument here at all, just pointing out that a formal profile in XXL mag contributes significantly to one's notability in this particular genre. Again this is a point which likely would simply not be known by folks who are not fans of hip-hop. --Bigtimepeace | talk | contribs 19:21, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok. The reason I pointed out the issue the label is that point 5 of WP:MUSICBIO would have him notable for putting out two releases under Young Money (which hasn't happened yet). -- Whpq (talk) 19:48, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
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