Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Christos Tsoutsouvis


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The result was keep. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  16:14, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Christos Tsoutsouvis

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Even though Christos Tsoutsouvis is mentioned by many sources, I found it hard to spot a single RS that covers the subject significantly. There is a notability template (has been there since November 2017 ), but it has not been addressed until recently, inadequately in my opinion. (See Talk Page). Bottom line, the article violates WP:GNG. Cinadon36 (talk) 10:55, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
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 * Keep WP:HEYMANN added a few sources, facts and am confident that a solid article can be created here, a working knowledge of German and Greek would be useful.E.M.Gregory (talk) 17:27, 27 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Hi I have seen that you have added a couple of sources. The first one, a book by Kasimeris, mentions Tsoutsouvis once, in a 2 sentenced footnote. The second one, a a book by Busky, mentions Tsoutsouvis once, without examining him or his life. It just lists the terrorist organizations in Greece. Third is an article by NYT, only mentions Tsoutsouvis without examing is life. It is not an article on Tsoutsouvis, it is an article describing a bomb attack by a German terrorist Group, named after Tsoutsouvis. Forth is a news article describing various blasts in Europe. . I do not have access to it but it is reasonable to suppose that it doesn't cover in a significant extent Mr. Tsoutsouvis. The fifth source, a news article that I do not have access to it.  The title suggests that it is a report from a blast in Athens. So, I can't see how these links contribute to the notability of the subject. I am certain there are many more mentions in various media. But not one covers in significant extent Christos Tsoutsouvis. Cinadon36 (talk) 18:23, 27 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Note that this article is BOTH about Christos Tsoutsouvis, and the little shootout he had with Greek police, and about the Christos Tsoutsouvis Revolutionary Organization, name din his honor, which bombed buildings in Cologne and Athens in the 1980s.  Some detail already in article. Added more material about this person, much more can be added.E.M.Gregory (talk) 18:34, 27 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep A key person in the history of the ultra-left/anarchist militancy and terrorism in contemporary Greece. Tsoutsouvis and his organisation (see also E.M.Gregory's "Note" above) are always mentioned in the accounts of the Greek urban guerilla activity published in mainsteam media of Greece. Cf. "Τα επτά τετ α τετ από το 1977", in Eleftherotypia (May 13, 2009)· "Στα χέρια της αστυνομίας ο Λεσπέρογλου", in Rizospastis (December 26, 1999)· "Τσιγαρίδας: Αυτός ήταν ο ΕΛΑ", in Kathimerini (July 9, 2004)· "Δημήτρης Κουφοντίνας: Η αιματοβαμμένη διαδρομή του 'Λουκά' της 17Ν" @ Reader.gr (February 10, 2018) etc. Τsoutsouvis has gained iconic status for many Greek anarchist groups; see for example "31 χρόνια μετά τον θάνατο του Χρήστου Τσουτσουβή" @ Anarchy press gr (May 16, 2010). ——Chalk19 (talk) 18:51, 3 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Not a single one of the borderline RS presented are about the Christos Tsoutsouvis. Yes, he is mentioned by mainstream Greek media, but there is no comprehensive work about the life of Tsoutsouvis. PS: The article at enet.gr is about seven bombs attacks in Athens. The article at Rizospastis is about another greek guerilla/terrorist. The article at Kathimerini is about ELA, a group that Tsoutsouvis was part of it (maybe we could merge). The article at reader.gr is about Koufontinas (another terrorist). Reader.gr is not RS. Anarchypress is a blog, can not use it to establish notability. Cinadon36 (talk) 13:18, 6 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep i will try to extent this article with more RS from history books. He was a key figure in Greek leftist terrorism. Αντικαθεστωτικός (talk) 16:26, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
 * That is not valid reasoning for keeping the article. Cinadon36 (talk) 12:20, 6 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep The subject does meet WP:GNG. I think the nominator has misunderstood the meaning of "significant coverage": WP:GNG explicitly states that "Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material." WP:BASIC, the notability guideline for People, says "If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability ..." There is no requirement for a "comprehensive work about the life of Tsoutsouvis". RebeccaGreen (talk) 14:14, 7 March 2019 (UTC)


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