Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chuck Sudetic


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Unnecessary to leave this open after being relisted. The only delete vote seems to be weak, and even then it is based on the now-resolved BLP issues brought up by the subject. Consensus is to keep. (non-admin closure)  Anarchyte  ( work  &#124;  talk )   11:45, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

Chuck Sudetic

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OTRS request from subject ticket:2016082810003061 S Philbrick  (Talk)  12:09, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
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 * – What are we editors without OTRS access supposed to comment here? Judging from the article history, the purported subject requested deletion multiple times, accompanied with some legal threats. The subject satisfies the GNG and WP:AUTHOR, maybe not so much that we must have an article about him, but reasonably over the normal bar for an article. I also don't see anything problematic in our article, except the now-removed religion category and over-reliance on primary sources (i.e. sources writen by Sudetic himself). But it's a pretty solid "keep" on notability grounds otherwise. No such user (talk) 14:55, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I included the OTRS link in case any agents wish to see what is in the ticket. If the subject had provided a rationale, and had given me permission to copy it here, I would have included it here. Whenever someone writes to OTRS to request an article be deleted we give them a set of options including instructions how to request deletion themselves but we always include an option that we will nominate it for deletion if they so request. That happened. I think you should judge the article on its merits, although I believe that in the case of close calls, some editors would give some weight to the subject's wishes.-- S Philbrick (Talk)  15:10, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
 * As I implied, in my opinion this is a "close call" enough taking into account the subject's wishes – I would normally !vote "keep" but Sudetic is not that much above the GNG bar, and not that much of a public person, that we wouldn't accommodate him a courtesy deletion. Still, I fail to see what made him so upset. After all, he is (or was, if he prefers thus) an investigative journalist himself, bringing other people's tough stories to the public. Or is he having second thoughts now – the onwiki actions of his (?) seems so out of character that I imagined from his books and news articles. So, delete, I suppose, on the balance of BLP and everything. No such user (talk) 21:09, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep Author appears to pass WP:GNG and WP:AUTHOR, but is also a notable reporter having been covered in multiple independent sources, , New York Times. Valoem   talk   contrib  17:24, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep He wrote several important works and is deserving of an article. --Ivan Štambuk (talk) 06:36, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 01:30, 13 September 2016 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment, no !vote. The IP user (who claims to be the subject) has left a relevant message on my talk page. -- zzuuzz (talk) 05:09, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 11:03, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep and closing of this Afd, given the subject's communication with above, where the subject has clarified that after zzuuzz's edits, the subject is satisfied with the said article. Not that we need any subject's approval for keeping or deleting an article, but BLP requests should always be seen with extreme empathy, given the amount of damage wrong information in a BLP can cause to people in their real lives.  Lourdes  12:25, 20 September 2016 (UTC)


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