Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chuck Taylor (wrestler) (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was speedy delete by User:SirFozzie. Non-admin closure. Ten Pound Hammer • (((Broken clamshells • Otter chirps))) 01:01, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Chuck Taylor (wrestler)
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Article is a re-creation of the article deleted yesterday per the previous AfD. Article does not address the concerns of the previous AfD with regards to notability and sources to verify notability. CSD G4 tag was placed twice on article and removed. I left a not on the talk page requesting that before this article was to be recreated, to go to deletion review first to avail. Wildthing61476 19:56, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Article is clearly better than the previous one, the hack kid, who is new messaged me and I told him I would help him. Sources were added. More of Chuck Taylor working history was added. Over all it is a different newer article with more info on Taylor and why he is NOTABLE. The tag was removed when I added the HOLD ON Tag which you took it upon yourself to remove even though I was instructed to do so. It is a new more informative article and should not have to be discussed on the DRV. --EdWood 20:01, 9 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Comment Where are the reilable sources? I don't see anything that is different from this previous article as to now for a reliable source that confirms his notability. Also as I said before in the talk page, from {http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chuck_Taylor_%28wrestler%29&diff=143565168&oldid=143564324} this edit, it appeard you removed the CSD, so please do not accuse me of removing tags. Wildthing61476 20:02, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Please don't read anything I write, I ADMITTED the tag was removed when I used the hang on tag which you removed. And yes there are several more sources and articles linked to this than last time. --EdWood 20:05, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * With regard to the sources I see listed, MySpace is NEVER a reliable source for one. The two Wikipedia articles that refer to the organization have been debated, and notability is NOT inherited, i.e., just because he works in one of those feds doesn't automatically make him notable. With regards to the other links, I'm not sure if match results are notable either. Wildthing61476 20:11, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment I should note that I absolutely agree that Chuck Taylor working in promotions with Wikipedia entries does not make him notable; no one should immediately be considered notable via association. However, the fact that he is an elite star in those promotions does make him notable, and to discredit him and his notability while knowing that fact is, quite frankly, ridiculous.--Matthewhack 21:25, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Last thing, I'm going to let the AfD process play out here, I've said why i think he's not notable, you believe he is, so I respect the right to agreeably disagree on this. Wildthing61476 20:14, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Of course a myspace doesn't make some one notable but several celebs ahve theirs listed as links. Articles noting his winning major indy championships are notable articels. Do any of us have online bios? No, he does. Yes, let us watch and see what happens. <3 --EdWood 20:17, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

I think that this page should be maintained because it allows people to learn about wrestling. And it provides exposure for people who cannot garner it through the mainstream media, by using the internet as an way to provide info do not stifle it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mryan71689 (talk • contribs) — Mryan71689 (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Comment, Wikipedia is not for people to garner exposure, it is for people who already have exposure (or notability, as some would call it). Wikipedia is not a wrestling fan site, but an encyclopedia for clearly notable individuals. Nikki311 20:49, 9 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete, I'm recasting my vote from the previous AfD. Nikki311 20:49, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete, dear God almighty, was 50k of discussion not enough! No WP:RS, and now WP:COI spring to mind. Why do we need this to play out again, delete and salt until he does something worth writing about. Darrenhusted 21:01, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment, I'd love to know how there are no reputable sources. OWW is widely considered to be one of the elite databases for wrestling information on the Internet. I've also taken time out to add some additional sources. Also, how has he not done something worth writing about? Regardless of your opinions on independent wrestling, IWA Mid-South (the promotion in which he has been heavyweight champion for nearly a year) is one of the more well known independent promotions around the world. The main thing holding them back from being a big time competitor on the same plateau as Ring of Honor is simply a combination between a less-than-desirable circuit (Plainfield, Indiana and Midlothian, Illinois are both very small towns), and the lack of a huge money source to fund them. The number of fans at a show has little bearing on their worldwide effect on the independent wrestling community, and simply because they don't have a major television deal does not make them un-notable.--Matthewhack 21:22, 9 July 2007 (UTC)


 * KEEP - Article is obviously about a person of notablity. References and Links are now included. Very well done. --EdWood 21:43, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

mentions him in passing, is just a results page,  and  is another results page. I get it he is a wrestler who has wrestled! So What? None of this establishes nontability, once this comment is finished I will gut the article to show you what you can prove about Chuck Taylor. Darrenhusted 22:13, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep: I have gone through and added multiple valid sources from throughout the Internet. While some may question his notability, I have stated my case concerning said notability in my above comments. I find it hard to dispute that being a long term heavyweight champion in one of the most notable independent wrestling promotions in the world would make one a person notable enough to have an article on Wikipedia.--Matthewhack 21:46, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment this article is the exact same as last time, the sources you have added are not RS. The picture is still not fair use, like last time, is a flyer,  is the same thing but on the CZW website, Youtube and myspace are not RS,
 * Comment: I understand that in most cases YouTube can not be considered RS. However, the source of the video is the official YouTube account of Chikara's Podcast-a-Go-Go, and the first place that the announcement of Team FIST taking Chuck Taylor for their King of Trios squad was announced. I fail to see how that would be a problem. Many of the other references contain information about his debut in other promotions (Chikara, IWA-MS, CZW, etc.). Also, it frustrates me that you're failing to take into consideration that he's more than just a "wrestler"; he's one of the bigger names on the independent circuit. IMO, there are many other articles that fall under the "professional wrestling" category that you should be focusing on, as it really seems to me as if there is no problem. The article will be reverted back, if you continue to remove my edits, I will be forced to report you for repeated vandalism.--Matthewhack 22:47, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Youtube is never a RS because posting it here violates copyright. This article has been deleted, recreating it was the error not me tidying up the article. Darrenhusted 22:54, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment: I do not know why you feel the need to attack people who disagree with you Darren.--EdWood 23:08, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

The article is so obviously a violation of G4 I really am at my wits end as to why this was recreated, if the fanboys want a page then there are plenty of free sites out there, may I suggest Wordpad. I say delete it and take it to review and then watch as it gets an endorse. Darrenhusted 23:16, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
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