Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/ChuniTana


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete.  MBisanz  talk 02:02, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

ChuniTana

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Notability claimed but not asserted. No reliable sources. Google results don't assert either - Omarcheeseboro (talk) 12:33, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete all sources are self-published and there is nothing else I can find to support any of the claims made. -- Rodhull andemu  13:21, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Response: The site chunitana.tk clarifies "Copyright© Tony Berndtsson = All Rights Reserved" and that he is the author of the website, where he claims the same information as I posted on the chunitana-wikipedia page as true. It may be self-published by him but isn't he the one true source for information about himself and his work? Please clarify. The claims made are verified by the author himself, Tony Berndtsson, why not contact him through email and ask him about the page? Because the only reason I see for the page to be deleted is if the author himself did not write those claims, but why not clarify it by contacting him?
 * We do not regard self-published sources as reliable enough to establish notability. As for contacting him (???) it is up to an editor seeking to add information to provide a reliable source for it. -- Rodhull andemu  13:53, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Then why did my other wikipedia page stay up? Fiction Factory One of the sources to that page is http://www.inthe00s.com/archive/inthe80s/bbs9/webBBS_9509.shtml which is written by one of the band members. What matter does it make if the source is self-published; why is someone else's words more reliable? I did not write that ChuniTana invented the light bulb, I only wrote what he wrote about himself on his website. What he wrote there may not be true, I'm with ya there, but what difference does it make? What is the danger in him saying that he writes poetry.

His claims are subjective (that he is well-known in his hometown) and harmless (that he writes poetry and does music). The information is not reliable in the way that we cannot know if it is the "real" Tony Berndtsson who hosts the site, but what matter does that make? There are more than one Tony Berndtsson and most people don't exist on wikipedia to begin with. The exeption here is that this is an entertainer, be he real or not. The information that wikipedia states is truth and shall always be truth, I ackknowledge that, but there is no harm done if there is a proof that the wikipedia-page of ChuniTana is not the truth, because it is about a harmless and subjective matter. Please, consider not deleting it. :( —Preceding unsigned comment added by Animeranmatony (talk • contribs) 14:45, 18 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment: Please read about notability. --Omarcheeseboro (talk) 15:22, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * If you read Wikipedia's verifiability policy, you will read that Wikipedia is about verifiability, not truth. MuZemike  ( talk ) 17:26, 18 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete. There's nothing here--it's the equivalent of a MySpace musician, without even a claim to notability. To the creator: I made a minor edit to the article which would bring it more in line with WP policy--as you can see, perhaps, once a rigorous edit is made there is not much left. Sorry, but them's the shakes. Drmies (talk) 20:48, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment: I thought the original version of the article was claiming notability. Now that I review it I don't know why I thought that. Oops. At least now if it can be speedy'd as A4 if introduced again. --Omarcheeseboro (talk) 18:31, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 06:36, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 06:36, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete no assertion of notability. tgies (talk) 12:21, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete (notability, no) Proofreader77 (talk) 19:30, 21 December 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.